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Medmech · #1 10-22-2007, 10:43 AM

Anyone that has been through SERE had a chance to go through water boarding, it can be the longest 5-10 seconds of your life, people trained to resist water boarding can make it 30 seconds, which used to be a requirement from what I gather this is not longer a requirement. With that said almost all SF personal Air Force pilots and some Soldiers go through the SERE training and go through all of the allowed interrogation techniques so why should it be illegal to put people through the same punishment we subject our own soldiers to?

. Water Boarding: The prisoner is bound to an inclined board, feet raised and head slightly below the feet. Cellophane is wrapped over the prisoner's face and water is poured over him. Unavoidably, the gag reflex kicks in and a terrifying fear of drowning leads to almost instant pleas to bring the treatment to a halt.
According to the sources, CIA officers who subjected themselves to the water boarding technique lasted an average of 14 seconds before caving in. They said al Qaeda's toughest prisoner, Khalid Sheik Mohammed, won the admiration of interrogators when he was able to last between two and two-and-a-half minutes before begging to confess.
"The person believes they are being killed, and as such, it really amounts to a mock execution, which is illegal under international law," said John Sifton of Human Rights Watch.

Txjake · #2 10-22-2007, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Howitzer

Anyone that has been through SERE had a chance to go through water boarding, it can be the longest 5-10 seconds of your life, people trained to resist water boarding can make it 30 seconds, which used to be a requirement from what I gather this is not longer a requirement. With that said almost all SF personal Air Force pilots and some Soldiers go through the SERE training and go through all of the allowed interrogation techniques so why should it be illegal to put people through the same punishment we subject our own soldiers to?

. Water Boarding: The prisoner is bound to an inclined board, feet raised and head slightly below the feet. Cellophane is wrapped over the prisoner's face and water is poured over him. Unavoidably, the gag reflex kicks in and a terrifying fear of drowning leads to almost instant pleas to bring the treatment to a halt.
According to the sources, CIA officers who subjected themselves to the water boarding technique lasted an average of 14 seconds before caving in. They said al Qaeda's toughest prisoner, Khalid Sheik Mohammed, won the admiration of interrogators when he was able to last between two and two-and-a-half minutes before begging to confess.
"The person believes they are being killed, and as such, it really amounts to a mock execution, which is illegal under international law," said John Sifton of Human Rights Watch.

I have been through SERE...waterboarding is a ***** and you do feel like you are gonna die..... 5 - 10 seconds of it seems like an hour. Khalid SM must have nerves of steel, in addition to knowing that we don't kill folks in interrogation......

Medmech · #3 10-22-2007, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Txjake

I have been through SERE...waterboarding is a ***** and you do feel like you are gonna die..... 5 - 10 seconds of it seems like an hour. Khalid SM must have nerves of steel, in addition to knowing that we don't kill folks in interrogation......

I was waiting for you to post because I was pretty sure with your TIS you did the SERE, did you do it at Lewis or Bragg? I made it about 10 seconds but gave up fairly easy but like you said it seems like a years 2 or 3 more seconds would be like an eternity.

I also learned that coughing is NOT involuntary.

Botnst · #4 10-22-2007, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Howitzer

I was waiting for you to post because I was pretty sure with your TIS you did the SERE, did you do it at Lewis or Bragg? I made it about 10 seconds but gave up fairly easy but like you said it seems like a years 2 or 3 more seconds would be like an eternity.

I also learned that coughing is NOT involuntary.

Discussion of so-called torture reminds me of that AZ sheriff that dresses prisoners in pnk coveralls, has only disney (or the sheriff, reading children's stories) on TV and his prisoners in tents. Is that "cruel and unusual"?

B

aklim · #5 10-22-2007, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Howitzer

"The person believes they are being killed, and as such, it really amounts to a mock execution, which is illegal under international law," said John Sifton of Human Rights Watch.

So is beheading of captives but it happens. GC crap was written a long time ago in a very different situation. The captives are fighting with tomorrow's tactics while we are fighting with yesterday' tactics.

Medmech · #6 10-22-2007, 12:03 PM

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So is beheading of captives but it happens. GC crap was written a long time ago in a very different situation. The captives are fighting with tomorrow's tactics while we are fighting with yesterday' tactics.

Why are you quoting me?

aklim · #7 10-22-2007, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Howitzer

Why are you quoting me?

Because John Sifton doesn't have a Userid for me to quote? You are the next best thing.

Medmech · #8 10-22-2007, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Because John Sifton doesn't have a Userid for me to quote? You are the next best thing.

Lame

Medmech · #9 10-22-2007, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

So is beheading of captives but it happens. GC crap was written a long time ago in a very different situation. The captives are fighting with tomorrow's tactics while we are fighting with yesterday' tactics.

Stupid is Stupid does.

Mistress · #10 10-22-2007, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Howitzer

Anyone that has been through SERE had a chance to go through water boarding, it can be the longest 5-10 seconds of your life, people trained to resist water boarding can make it 30 seconds, which used to be a requirement from what I gather this is not longer a requirement. With that said almost all SF personal Air Force pilots and some Soldiers go through the SERE training and go through all of the allowed interrogation techniques so why should it be illegal to put people through the same punishment we subject our own soldiers to?

. Water Boarding: The prisoner is bound to an inclined board, feet raised and head slightly below the feet. Cellophane is wrapped over the prisoner's face and water is poured over him. Unavoidably, the gag reflex kicks in and a terrifying fear of drowning leads to almost instant pleas to bring the treatment to a halt.
According to the sources, CIA officers who subjected themselves to the water boarding technique lasted an average of 14 seconds before caving in. They said al Qaeda's toughest prisoner, Khalid Sheik Mohammed, won the admiration of interrogators when he was able to last between two and two-and-a-half minutes before begging to confess.
"The person believes they are being killed, and as such, it really amounts to a mock execution, which is illegal under international law," said John Sifton of Human Rights Watch.

Can you explain what Chinese water torture is?

Botnst · #11 10-22-2007, 03:50 PM

No, but French water torture involves soap.

Medmech · #12 10-22-2007, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

No, but French water torture involves soap.

hehe

peragro · #13 10-23-2007, 12:55 AM

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No, but French water torture involves soap.

...and a dirty Frenchman, oui? But I am redundant...

Who is tortured? The Frenchman or the washer, or both?

t walgamuth · #14 10-23-2007, 06:06 AM

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...and a dirty Frenchman, oui? But I am redundant...

Who is tortured? The Frenchman or the washer, or both?

I am pretty sure it is a joke at the expense of the French.....insinuating that they don't like taking baths much, which I believe is true for Europeans in general. Well. at least that they don't value bathing strictly every day as we tend to do.

Tom W

Gurkha · #15 10-23-2007, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

I am pretty sure it is a joke at the expense of the French.....insinuating that they don't like taking baths much, which I believe is true for Europeans in general. Well. at least that they don't value bathing strictly every day as we tend to do.

Tom W

Actually bathing is luxury to people from desert regions where water is scarce, just not Europeans who probably did it due to the cold weather Also some religions which shall remain un-named observe no bath days and that too in middle of summer. Trust me, going near them in humid and muggy NYC summer was no fun. I would prefer to be skunked instead.