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Old 11-21-2007, 08:34 PM
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Sometimes it works. Not always.
I don't think it has ever worked worth a damn. We tried to destroy Cuba with it and over 40 years later, our best hope for change in Cuba remains what it was back then: death of Fearless Leader. No other country was so ompletely bottled-up economically by the USA. It's a dumb strategy in Cuba and it's dumb anywhere else.

The best use fo economic power is empowering the middle class of adversary government through free trade. That actually has worked many times over the past 200 years or so.
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Old 11-21-2007, 03:36 PM
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It seems as though the founding fathers of this country had the right idea. They thought it prudent to keep out of the internal affairs of other countries and to avoid alliances with them. For most of our history getting involved in such things has not worked out too well.


Post WWI, the country turned inward, believing that the internal affairs of Europe were of no concern to the USA.

The trick has always been determining where the internal affairs of one country end and ours begin, and vice-versa. For example, some people think that Iran is a danger to the USA but I have never heard of anybody suggesting that they are meddling within the borders of the 50 states. Same with North Korea and with Pakistan.

Same with Afghanistan on September 10, 2001.
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The trick has always been determining where the internal affairs of one country end and ours begin, and vice-versa.
Years ago, your business was your business. We could all go about doing what we do and never bump into each other. Today, we are like in a neighborhood. Just because you live on top of the hill and I am at the bottom doesn't mean your dumping of garbage in your yard won't hurt my house resale value. That is why we have HOAs.
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It seems as though the founding fathers of this country had the right idea. They thought it prudent to keep out of the internal affairs of other countries and to avoid alliances with them. For most of our history getting involved in such things has not worked out too well.
My grandfather thought it was best to be a carpenter. My father thought it best to be a carpenter. Therefore, I too should be a carpenter and so should my son. Things change. What were the circumstances then and what are they now? Would they change their mind if there were brought forward in time to today?
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Did Afghanistan pose a threat on Sept 11, 2001?
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Old 11-21-2007, 08:33 PM
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Did Afghanistan pose a threat on Sept 11, 2001?
Afghanistan posed a threat from the moment it allowed Bin laden to train his forces within their territory. The bulk of the people were still present on 9/11 and the gov of Afghanistan was in full accord with that particular for of evangelism.

Because of certain actions and circumstance of which you are doubtlessly aware, Afghanistan is not currently the threat in was on 9/10/2001.
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Afghanistan posed a threat from the moment it allowed Bin laden to train his forces within their territory. The bulk of the people were still present on 9/11 and the gov of Afghanistan was in full accord with that particular for of evangelism.

Because of certain actions and circumstance of which you are doubtlessly aware, Afghanistan is not currently the threat in was on 9/10/2001.
So that threat was present on Sept 10, 2001-correct?
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So that threat was present on Sept 10, 2001-correct?
Did you happen to read what I wrote?
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Did you happen to read what I wrote?
Of course, that's why I asked for a clarafication. You seem to be saying two different things at once.

"For example, some people think that Iran is a danger to the USA but I have never heard of anybody suggesting that they are meddling within the borders of the 50 states. Same with North Korea and with Pakistan.

Same with Afghanistan on September 10, 2001".
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