Ok. But I went thru and deleted all my crap. You didn't need it here.
Peace.

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Are you kidding me? Dierdorf, Theismann, and Maguire should be banned from uttering anything related to football. Make it sports in general just to be safe.

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Yes the number could "soar" from 0.5% to 1.0%, showing a 100% increase. The real question is whether that 1.0% is statistically significant, considering all other factors. Reported by itself, it could be very misleading.

As the saying goes, figures don't lie, but liars figure.

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STATISTICS

Figures often beguile me, particularly when I have the arranging of them myself; in which case the remark attributed to Disraeli would often apply with justice and force: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
- Autobiography of Mark Twain

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Maybe they thought it was going to be to dangerous.


Government Report: More Military Deaths in Some Years of Peace Than War
Wednesday, November 14, 2007

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More active members of the military died during two years of peacetime in the early 1980s than died during a two-year period of war in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to a government report.

The Congressional Research Service, which compiled war casualty statistics from the Revolutionary War to present day conflicts, reported that 4,699 members of the U.S. military died in 1981 and '82 — a period when the U.S. had only limited troop deployments to conflicts in the Mideast. That number of deaths is nearly 900 more than the 3,800 deaths during 2005 and '06, when the U.S. was fully committed to large-scale military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The CRS, which is the public policy research arm of Congress, issued its findings in the June report "American War and Military Operations Casualties: Lists and Statistics."

FOXNews.com, in re-examining the findings, found that — surprising as it may be — there were more active duty deaths in some years of peacetime than there were in some years of wartime.

Military analysts say the current decrease in military casualties, even during a time of war, is due to a campaign by the Armed Forces to reduce accidents and improve medical care on the battlefield.

"It's safer to be in the military because your accidental death rate has gone down; it's safer to be in the military because if you get wounded, you'll probably survive," said John Pike, director of GlobalSecurity.org.

"Getting killed on the battlefield is one way that people in the military wind up dying, but it's not the main way."

According to the raw figures, of the 2,380 members of the military who died during active duty in 1981, 1,524 were killed in accidents, 145 by homicide, 457 by illness and 241 from self-inflicted wounds. That compares with the 1,942 killed in 2005; of that number, 632 died from accidents, 739 from hostile action, 49 from homicide, 281 from illness, 150 from self-inflicted wounds and 72 whose causes of death were still pending. Eleven deaths in ’81 and 19 deaths in ’05 were classified as “undetermined.”

Click here to read the report.

"Let's not somehow pretend or try to convey the false impression that being at war is being safer than being at peace, of course not," said Michael O'Hanlon, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institute.

"If we stopped these wars we would cut back our annual military fatalities by close to a thousand people, and that's just simple arithmetic."

The numbers, which outline active-duty deaths from 1980 to 2006, show a steady decline in accidents. Experts attribute that decline to campaigns to curb off-duty partying and drunk driving, as well as offering better training before putting troops in hazardous situations. There also are fewer active military members today; the total number of active servicemen and women decreased from a 1986 high of 2.18 million troops to the 2006 level of 1.38 million.

Doug Johnson, a professor of national security affairs at the U.S. Army War College in Carlisle, Pa., said that initial treatment and airlifts during the so-called "golden hour" after a soldier is wounded have significantly increased troop survival rates.

"You don't hear the classic war movie cry for 'Medics, medics,' because everybody's a medic to a certain extent," he said.

The death-to-wounded ratio has also improved, the study found. Nearly 8 people are wounded for every one who dies in Operation Iraqi Freedom versus the 1 death to 1.7 wound ratio found during World War II.

And the combined totals for illness, homicide, accident and suicide trump troop casualty numbers, Pike said.

"Previously in a war, if you were wounded, you were in big trouble," Pike said. "And now if you're wounded, you're probably going to make it."

But Johnson said it's important to look beyond the raw data.

"The thing that distresses me about it, is it's raw numbers. And while that's interesting, it doesn't reflect percentages, which might be more instructive," he said.

Back during the Viet Nam thing, some folks (like me) looked at getting drafted (mine was #12) and looked for other options. So when I got my notice for a draft physical I immediately went to the Navy recruiter to see what he had to offer.

When I reported to basic training I was assigned to a Company 119, along with about 120 other guys (IIRC). Getting kicked out of Navy bootcamp didn't absolve recruits of their military obligation so failure in bootcamp was not a pleasant option. Even so, I graduated with about 100 guys. Several of them went AWOL. A couple went nuts and tried to commit suicide (or faked it in hopes of being declared nutty), on guy took a hearty swing at a noncom and proceeded to get an ass-kicking that he probably still remembers, etc., some were allergic to wool or to the various inoculations, etc.

Then when I got to a ship, every time we returned to the United States from deployment a handful of guys would not come back. One guy I worked with woke up one morning and informed everybody that he was quitting, and he did. He disobeyed lawful and direct orders, got 3 days bread & water in the brig, and when we got back to the USA he got a court martial, from which he went AWOL before it even began. Nice guy and a good mechanic. I never have understood what went on in his mind.

I think the point of all of this is that people scratch for any number of reasons.

The 1980 stats are an interesting number but I bet nobody has an explanation of it. If the 1980 stats were as high or higher and we cannot explain the 1980 stats, why should we so quickly commit ourselves to the obvious?

It's the anti-Hindu conspiracy.

Nope its the democracy lobby.

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I'm glad you recognize it.

Plenty of rivalry in Inia. That would exist whether or not we chose to unilaterally invade and try to mold a country that was certain, for the most part, to resent our intrusion.

Said rivalry is not uncommon among people who live side by side and competer for resources. We don't live near Iraq but we do compete for their resources.

When all is said and done, I'd say that the violence in India is much more unavoidable than our incursion into Iraq.

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I thought the Joos and neocons caused India's problems.

Uh - huh.

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I think this sort of warfare has been going on since Nam and it is here to stay.

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FYI, Hitler was a soldier in WWI. I don't think he knows how to wage a war.

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Yes I do, Mr. Lobby for agenda and very much so. Understand your fake patriotism as well and the fact that your try and hide behind it.

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