I think you're wrong. Most people in the US military don't sign or re-up because of the Nitwit-in-Chief, most sign or re-up for personal reasons with a smidgeon of patriotic obligation.

Most folks in the military rather like Dubyuh, mainly because he spares no opportunity to speak well of them and will spend whatever it takes in their name. What's not to like about that? But I'll bet far less than 1% really give a **** about whether he is the current president or whether we have yet another Clinton or some Repo-looney. They'll do their duty until they think that the cause is lost and then they will remember for the rest of their lives who it was that caused their loss.

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Hire those Vets, dude!

After the malcontents get their bonus checks for joining........they bail. Really simple.

Are you suggesting Communism and electing Hitlary, will work better for the United States......since that's your answer for world peace?

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I saw this article this morning and thought the increase was not very significant so refrained from posting a thread about it.

OTOH I think aprox. one in a hundred is fairly high given the possible punishment for it.

Tom W

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The problem is that it is the Army's MP's (like myself) that used to go pick up and escort back those that went AWOL. Military Police is now knows as "the force of choice" for many reasons. We do it all. We don't have the time to go look for people that don't want to serve with us. Would YOU want to force a person to work with you when your like will depend on them? Not me. Letting the weak leave will make us a stronger whole.

Some of you are actually surprised that people with lack of character are being enticed by $20k and $40k bonuses yet don't want to do the job they have been paid to do?

A little food for thought:

Desertion Rates
Army Fiscal Year Number of Deserters Rate Per 1000
1997 . . . . . . . . . 2,218 . . . . . . . . . . . . 4.58
1998 . . . . . . . . . 2,520 . . . . . . . . . . . . 5.20
1999 . . . . . . . . . 2,966 . . . . . . . . . . . . 6.13
2000 . . . . . . . . . 3,949 . . . . . . . . . . . . 8.16
2001 . . . . . . . . . 4,597 . . . . . . . . . . . . 9.50
2002 . . . . . . . . . 4,483 . . . . . . . . . . . . 9.26
2003 . . . . . . . . . 3,678 . . . . . . . . . . . . 7.60
2004 . . . . . . . . . 2,376 . . . . . . . . . . . . 4.91
2005 . . . . . . . . . 2,357 . . . . . . . . . . . . ?????
2006 . . . . . . . . . 3,301 . . . . . . . . . . . . "less than 7"
2007 . . . . . . . . . 4,698 . . . . . . . . . . . . "about 9"

Okay, so all the people that were riding Uncle Sam for a paycheck jumped ship in 2001 when they found out they might have to actually do some work...and now that we've got the lowest standards and the highest bonuses ever...we're seeing similar numbers and this is news?

And for those of you that are ultra critical of how things are being run...what are you doing to make change? Are you serving your country, or just acting e-smart and complaining about this online?

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Maybe GURKA can serve.........?

The desertions are going to break GURKA-the Leftist's Hire a "Homeless" Vet campaign! What's up with that deal, anyway........?

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Back during the Viet Nam thing, some folks (like me) looked at getting drafted (mine was #12) and looked for other options. So when I got my notice for a draft physical I immediately went to the Navy recruiter to see what he had to offer.

When I reported to basic training I was assigned to a Company 119, along with about 120 other guys (IIRC). Getting kicked out of Navy bootcamp didn't absolve recruits of their military obligation so failure in bootcamp was not a pleasant option. Even so, I graduated with about 100 guys. Several of them went AWOL. A couple went nuts and tried to commit suicide (or faked it in hopes of being declared nutty), on guy took a hearty swing at a noncom and proceeded to get an ass-kicking that he probably still remembers, etc., some were allergic to wool or to the various inoculations, etc.

Then when I got to a ship, every time we returned to the United States from deployment a handful of guys would not come back. One guy I worked with woke up one morning and informed everybody that he was quitting, and he did. He disobeyed lawful and direct orders, got 3 days bread & water in the brig, and when we got back to the USA he got a court martial, from which he went AWOL before it even began. Nice guy and a good mechanic. I never have understood what went on in his mind.

I think the point of all of this is that people scratch for any number of reasons.

The 1980 stats are an interesting number but I bet nobody has an explanation of it. If the 1980 stats were as high or higher and we cannot explain the 1980 stats, why should we so quickly commit ourselves to the obvious?

So you agree desertions have increased? Or we are better off without the gold diggers?
Others have claimed the the increase is statisically insignificant. From your figures it's apparent that desertions took a jump right around the time W was elected.

How would we not be better off?

Also they did drop back down.

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I'm way too old for Iraq, but I did get to Viet Nam. I served, other than basic training, my entire tour in C Battery, 7th Battalion, 15th Artillery. You can visit the 15th's excellent website at http://www.landscaper.net.
When it comes to declaring that " I would do my duty" or "There are many things worse than serving in Iraq" you better believe you need to back up those statements with some personal experience.

So Howard Cosell was a pretty lousy NFL and boxing commentator, wasn't he?

And Dubya knows how to wage war?

WTF does that have to do with this topic?

Exactly my thought, please ask rick g and Botnst, its their version of censorship by indulging in a tit for tat. Botnst is on a mission to sabotage and divert every thread that I post here.

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It's the anti-Hindu conspiracy.