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Hatterasguy · #16 11-17-2007, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Billybob

Reality Check Chicken Little!

Wiki “US Army Personnel as of 2007/8/31 1,055,734 actual 2007 rate of desertion 9 per 1000 (less than 1% !) 9501.606 desertions. So less than 1% (0.9%) desertion rate ( as opposed to a prewar Clinton army rate of 0.5%) equals the 80% increase!!!!! 42% over last year 2006 – 0.7% vs. 2007 – 0.9%! Statistically insignificant unless you have nothing better to offer. When any thoughtful person considers the rate of dessertions vs. the rate of reenlistments (although I have not been able to find the actual 2007 total number the renlistment goal was 80,000 ( at minimum 7.58%) and the media widely reports that goal had not only been been achieved but exceeded) over the same time period, one can only conclude that the posting of such out of context information is nothing less than irresponsible sensationalism! Already this statistical garbage is heralded loudly and frequently from and by most liberal media, talking heads, politicos, and the great unwashed left leaning koolaid drinking masses. Fortunately such conduct only further reveals how foolish some have become!

On a side note you’ve got to wonder how the other Gurkha’s (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorkha) really feel about stuff like this happening!?

Good luck and Semper Fidelis!

"Wouldn't you desert as well after so many years of useless war and no progress?

No! And 99.1% agree! It's clear; if you have never served, you will never know!

X2 Its funny how the numbers paint a different story without the liberal journalistic spin.

Hatterasguy · #17 11-17-2007, 02:05 PM

Here is what General Patton has to say about currant events!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyUX6wV1lBQ

guage · #18 11-17-2007, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Twitch Kitty

If the profiteers lose control in the upcoming elections this will all change. God help us if they don't.

If Clinton gets in, watch the military personnel get out.

Botnst · #19 11-17-2007, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by guage

If Clinton gets in, watch the military personnel get out.

I think you're wrong. Most people in the US military don't sign or re-up because of the Nitwit-in-Chief, most sign or re-up for personal reasons with a smidgeon of patriotic obligation.

Most folks in the military rather like Dubyuh, mainly because he spares no opportunity to speak well of them and will spend whatever it takes in their name. What's not to like about that? But I'll bet far less than 1% really give a **** about whether he is the current president or whether we have yet another Clinton or some Repo-looney. They'll do their duty until they think that the cause is lost and then they will remember for the rest of their lives who it was that caused their loss.

B

Botnst · #20 11-17-2007, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by rickg

I think we need to start getting some eual time, and start posting about all the prob's and issues in India. we could fill this forum with that alone.

Why do Hindus, a peace-loving religion by all accounts, dynamite mosques and murder Muslims in the name of some historical wrong done a thousand years ago or more? Why does Hinduism support institutionalized discrimination by class?

Is it Bush's and the neocons at work? Is it the Christian rightwing? Is it war profiteers and the captains of industry? What is it that the USA has done to cause these problems in Indian society?

That should prime the pump rather nicely.

Skid Row Joe · #21 11-17-2007, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Gurkha

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/16/national/main3513410.shtml

(CBS/AP) Soldiers strained by six years at war are deserting their posts at the highest rate since 1980, with the number of Army deserters this year showing an 80 percent increase since the United States invaded Iraq in 2003.

Hire those Vets, dude!

After the malcontents get their bonus checks for joining........they bail. Really simple.

Are you suggesting Communism and electing Hitlary, will work better for the United States......since that's your answer for world peace?

t walgamuth · #22 11-17-2007, 04:27 PM

I saw this article this morning and thought the increase was not very significant so refrained from posting a thread about it.

OTOH I think aprox. one in a hundred is fairly high given the possible punishment for it.

Tom W

cmac2012 · #23 11-17-2007, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by raymr

The law will take care of them.

I just saw a local show interviewing a panel of 6 Iraq veterans. They were all in their mid to late 20s. The main thing that stuck out was that they are offended by Americans saying "I support the troops but I don't support this war". To them it's all or nothing - you can't support a soldier or marine and then balk on the mission he or she was trained for. They lamented the lack of backbone and commitment among some of their fellow countrymen.

This was not a conservative talk show - it was produced by our liberal-minded county local access, with no swear words blipped out - I was pretty surprised.

That's unfortunate. Perhaps those young fellows will figure out oneday that divine right is not endowed by the brain of whatever pres-dent was most recently able to con enough of the American public to put him on the big gravy train.

Plenty of other formidable armies in the past have met long and painful ruination by embarking on a foolish campaign.

cmac2012 · #24 11-17-2007, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Why do Hindus, a peace-loving religion by all accounts, dynamite mosques and murder Muslims in the name of some historical wrong done a thousand years ago or more? Why does Hinduism support institutionalized discrimination by class?

Is it Bush's and the neocons at work? Is it the Christian rightwing? Is it war profiteers and the captains of industry? What is it that the USA has done to cause these problems in Indian society?

That should prime the pump rather nicely.

And if you overlook the bombings of churches down in the south not too many years ago, we've never done anything remotely like that.

eagle-co94 · #25 11-17-2007, 07:18 PM

The problem is that it is the Army's MP's (like myself) that used to go pick up and escort back those that went AWOL. Military Police is now knows as "the force of choice" for many reasons. We do it all. We don't have the time to go look for people that don't want to serve with us. Would YOU want to force a person to work with you when your like will depend on them? Not me. Letting the weak leave will make us a stronger whole.

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Desertion always gets worse in times of war, when the army tends to increase its demands for troops and to lower its enlistment standards to meet that need.

Some of you are actually surprised that people with lack of character are being enticed by $20k and $40k bonuses yet don't want to do the job they have been paid to do?

A little food for thought:

Desertion Rates
Army Fiscal Year Number of Deserters Rate Per 1000
1997 . . . . . . . . . 2,218 . . . . . . . . . . . . 4.58
1998 . . . . . . . . . 2,520 . . . . . . . . . . . . 5.20
1999 . . . . . . . . . 2,966 . . . . . . . . . . . . 6.13
2000 . . . . . . . . . 3,949 . . . . . . . . . . . . 8.16
2001 . . . . . . . . . 4,597 . . . . . . . . . . . . 9.50
2002 . . . . . . . . . 4,483 . . . . . . . . . . . . 9.26
2003 . . . . . . . . . 3,678 . . . . . . . . . . . . 7.60
2004 . . . . . . . . . 2,376 . . . . . . . . . . . . 4.91
2005 . . . . . . . . . 2,357 . . . . . . . . . . . . ?????
2006 . . . . . . . . . 3,301 . . . . . . . . . . . . "less than 7"
2007 . . . . . . . . . 4,698 . . . . . . . . . . . . "about 9"

Okay, so all the people that were riding Uncle Sam for a paycheck jumped ship in 2001 when they found out they might have to actually do some work...and now that we've got the lowest standards and the highest bonuses ever...we're seeing similar numbers and this is news?

And for those of you that are ultra critical of how things are being run...what are you doing to make change? Are you serving your country, or just acting e-smart and complaining about this online?

Chas H · #26 11-17-2007, 07:26 PM

So you agree desertions have increased? Or we are better off without the gold diggers?
Others have claimed the the increase is statisically insignificant. From your figures it's apparent that desertions took a jump right around the time W was elected.