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mgburg · #46 07-26-2008, 11:06 AM

I chuckle at anything that "explodes" in space and has such a lingering plume of smoke/fire for that certain "cinemanic effect" - vaccuum would suck the life out of anything remotely "oxygenated" - including fire/smoke!

And, BTW, what does happen to the human body, in a space suit, when the suit is depleted of oxygen/air and is suddenly "infused" with vaccuum?

Does the body explode/puff-up like an "air-bag" in a car?

or...

Do the contents of the suit end up looking like a bag of smashed wieners?

Ideas? Anyone?

link · #47 07-26-2008, 12:15 PM

Willful suspension of disbelief is a literary tool that has been around since the first writings. The intent is sometimes to perform "shoe leather" or a means of getting from one point to another in service to the story line. Star Trek's transport (and the Enterprise itself) is the functional equivalent of Ali Baba's flying carpet, except for being bigger, faster and able to go further. Other times it permits a tool of poetry, as a reduction or allegory. You can see this kind of use in the Bible, the so-called metaphysical poetry from the 17th century in the works of John Donne, in the works of Ambrose Bearce - think of the concluding sequence in the Occurrence of Owl Creek Bridge -- and many others, and right up to the latest Bruce Willis film where Bruce drives a car into a toll booth, which catapults the vehicle 40' air bound and into a hovering helicopter. This use is described somewhat tersely as "looking beyond the palpable."

You can also see willful suspension of disbelief at work in visual art work from the beginning of history. In fact, all visual art depends heavily on the observer's mind to make a leap of faith and accept a reduction or miss-representation of reality as being reality. Think of any paintings or even sculptures by Leo da Vinci, ceramics dating from Hellenistic Greece, cave drawings at Lascaux, paintings by Peter Brueghel or Salvador Dali. They all rely on deceiving the viewer. This concept grew with the advent of motion video, and has shown a powerful and un-yielding impact on culture. The broadest and most powerful example of this is the influence of TV on culture.

Doing it right is art of the highest form. If done right the observer wont even be aware of it. In fact the core element in any story telling is getting the audience absorbed detail by detail, so that they will perceive as the author intended, and are not likely to detach themselves from the drama, to say, WTF! The role of heavily detailed use of suspension of disbelief has reached its peak in the genre of science fiction and science fantasy. Think about Mary Shelley's Frankenstein, Asimov's I Robot, or Clarke's 2001 A Space Odyssey, as a few examples. They all depend heavily on the audience suspending disbelief of reality as we know it. These stories would be incomprehensible without the audience being willing and capable of accepting the impossible as the basis for a story.

Hatterasguy · #48 07-26-2008, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Skippy

Not any more than when people travel all over the universe meeting strange new beings-and they all speak English. I got guys next door who can't speak English.

Damnit I love Stargate, don't make fun of it!

Mistress · #49 07-26-2008, 01:37 PM

"Blazing Saddles" was one of the few movies where the sound effects matched the scene....

tankdriver · #50 07-26-2008, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Fulcrum525

Now Ronin, theres a car chase that got everything right.

Actually, I drove one of the Citroens like they had in Ronin. No way it could keep up with the Audis.

cmac2012 · #51 07-26-2008, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by link

Willful suspension of disbelief is a literary tool that has been around since the first writings. The intent is sometimes to perform "shoe leather" or a means of getting from one point to another in service to the story line. Star Trek's transport (and the Enterprise itself) is the functional equivalent of Ali Baba's flying carpet, except for being bigger, faster and able to go further. Other times it permits a tool of poetry, as a reduction or allegory. You can see this kind of use in the Bible, the so-called metaphysical poetry from the 17th century in the works of John Donne, in the works of Ambrose Bearce - think of the concluding sequence in the Occurrence of Owl Creek Bridge -- and many others, and right up to the latest Bruce Willis film where Bruce drives a car into a toll booth, which catapults the vehicle 40' air bound and into a hovering helicopter. This use is described somewhat tersely as "looking beyond the palpable."

You can also see willful suspension of disbelief at work in visual art work from the beginning of history. In fact, all visual art depends heavily on the observer's mind to make a leap of faith and accept a reduction or miss-representation of reality as being reality. Think of any paintings or even sculptures by Leo da Vinci, ceramics dating from Hellenistic Greece, cave drawings at Lascaux, paintings by Peter Brueghel or Salvador Dali. They all rely on deceiving the viewer. This concept grew with the advent of motion video, and has shown a powerful and un-yielding impact on culture. The broadest and most powerful example of this is the influence of TV on culture.

Doing it right is art of the highest form. If done right the observer wont even be aware of it. In fact the core element in any story telling is getting the audience absorbed detail by detail, so that they will perceive as the author intended, and are not likely to detach themselves from the drama, to say, WTF! The role of heavily detailed use of suspension of disbelief has reached its peak in the genre of science fiction and science fantasy. Think about Mary Shelley's Frankenstein, Asimov's I Robot, or Clarke's 2001 A Space Odyssey, as a few examples. They all depend heavily on the audience suspending disbelief of reality as we know it. These stories would be incomprehensible without the audience being willing and capable of accepting the impossible as the basis for a story.

Nice phrase. I almost feel sheepish for getting a kick out of the "Pirates of the Caribbean" series, for several reasons. I mean real pirates are not nearly so like-able, even if there was some snooty class arrogance among British imperialists. And the metaphysical stuff is way into the fantasy realm.

But, they're kinda fun. Have made Depp the second highest bankable star after Will Smith.

MS Fowler · #52 07-26-2008, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mistress

"Blazing Saddles" was one of the few movies where the sound effects matched the scene....

Not when it is on broadcast TV--the scene is strangely quiet.

865sp300e · #53 07-26-2008, 08:31 PM

The most abused sound effect is the richochet of bullets, the computer clicking is second

WVOtoGO · #54 07-26-2008, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mistress

"Blazing Saddles" was one of the few movies where the sound effects matched the scene....

You got that right!!

Fulcrum525 · #55 07-26-2008, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by tankdriver

Actually, I drove one of the Citroens like they had in Ronin. No way it could keep up with the Audis.

Your right, although you got that one backwards. In the first chase scene it was the Audi that was quite easily keeping up with the Citroen. The Mercedes 450SEL 6.9 eventually caught up as well.

Mike D · #56 07-26-2008, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mistress

"Blazing Saddles" was one of the few movies where the sound effects matched the scene....

"We're gonna need a ****-load of dimes"

G-Benz · #57 07-27-2008, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by 865sp300e

The most abused sound effect is the richochet of bullets, the computer clicking is second

Ah...computer sound (and visual) effects!

Especially any pre-2000 movie or TV show!

Perhaps done to dramatize the actions being performed?

I guess a monitor displaying a white page of black text isn't very exciting ...but imagine if you had to hear some of those sounds daily at your workplace??? Drive you nuts!

Although I wish writing code at work took more of the form of "The Matrix"!

One of the worst offenders was "War Games"...with the "WOPR" mainframe looking like a diesel engine housing, replete with the dancing audio spectrum analyzer display...exactly like the one in my music studio!

mgburg · #58 07-27-2008, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

Not when it is on broadcast TV--the scene is strangely quiet.

Some network censor still has a "twich" about "bodily-functions" being audible...

Interestingly though, that scene (...along with some Monty Python bits...) is probably one of the contributors to the break-though (pardon the pun) of "passing gas" on most kids' shows today...some dweep standing off screen, squinting while trying to launch a dry one, then all the kids giggling/gagging as they run from the offender...

It's funny though...we laugh and titter ourselves as we see/hear this stuff, but GEEZ do we spaz when we're too close to reality...

I guess some things still have "icky" attached to them...

mgburg · #59 07-27-2008, 11:19 AM

Another SOB (suspension of belief) scenario is the "reality cop shows" that show the car, speeding down the interstate (either from the helicopter's view or from behind the windshield of the leading cop car) with the tires squealing...the car isn't in a power-slide, isn't turning corners or weaving...it's just going straight at approx. 100MPH ... unless that car has a case of SEVERE Toe-In or Toe-Out, or some other alignment issue, there's no reason, in the world, that there needs to be that much squealing...

Also, in any car chase scene, exactly HOW MANY GEARS does any car have?

In a manual, you should be able to up-shift a maximum of ... er ... say ... maybe 4 or 5 times?

Some cop chases, that car can up-shift about 25 times...I'd hate to work on that MONSTER!

tankdriver · #60 07-27-2008, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mgburg

Also, in any car chase scene, exactly HOW MANY GEARS does any car have?

In a manual, you should be able to up-shift a maximum of ... er ... say ... maybe 4 or 5 times?

Some cop chases, that car can up-shift about 25 times...I'd hate to work on that MONSTER!

lol. That one gets me too. They always seem to be shifting the same two gears, and never downshift, only up.