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Old 08-13-2008, 05:31 PM
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No, it just means it hasn't been verified because it's still too dangerous for journalists to go in.
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Old 08-13-2008, 05:35 PM
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Sorry, I'll break out my crayolas. In mein kampf, Hitler quoted US eugenecist policy.
I suspected that you were still using crayolas, I was just too polite to mention it.

OK, just as I did with your references to the U.S. Constitutions, please show me where Herr Fuhrer quoted U.S. "eugenecist" policies? Herr Fuhrer was a fan of Henry Ford and Mr. Ford returned the affection. But beyond that I have no idea what you ar etalking about.

A specific cite or quotation would be most helpful here.

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Old 08-13-2008, 05:38 PM
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Same old rubbish.

Ps. Both of those posts make a perfect example of this thread's headline.
Please educate us. I can't wait to see your sources for the "rubbish" comment.

One could argue that your posts are a perfect example of why the U.S. needs stricter immigration controls... .
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I suspected that you were still using crayolas, I was just too polite to mention it.

OK, just as I did with your references to the U.S. Constitutions, please show me where Herr Fuhrer quoted U.S. "eugenecist" policies? Herr Fuhrer was a fan of Henry Ford and Mr. Ford returned the affection. But beyond that I have no idea what you ar etalking about.

A specific cite or quotation would be most helpful here.

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Old 08-13-2008, 06:15 PM
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Please educate us. I can't wait to see your sources for the "rubbish" comment. .
In order to make statements on German/French relations, which have by any comparison, absolutely nothing to do with the current situation Russia vs. Georgia, one would have to go back into the 17th century and maybe even further to find out what was going on.

Besides, the French had an option to fight, but they decided not to. Instead, they waited for their allies to come and hand back to them, was theirs.

Just like some men aren't even capable to find sources by themselves ....

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One could argue that your posts are a perfect example of why the U.S. needs stricter immigration controls... .
Thanks for acknowledging [even though I know you meant it differently]
It's about time to keep the riff-raff out and mind our own internal affairs, rather then everybody elses business.

But apperantly, certain "liberal" mindsets prefer to shift the blame of whats going wrong in our times and in particular in this country, on past events, which not even exclude sole involvement and continue to perpetrade the misleading accusation, of "it's all the Germans/Nazis fault".

On a different note, if I wanted to make a correction, I would certainly make sure I make the correct correction.

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Old 08-13-2008, 07:16 PM
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Besides, the French had an option to fight, but they decided not to. Instead, they waited for their allies to come and hand back to them, was theirs.
The idea that the French did not fight is a myth. The Vichy goverment was quick to capitulate in the face of better armed troops. Which, coincidentally, was in violation of the peace treaty that the retreating Kaiser general were forced to sign.

The pre-WWII German goverment had no problem re-arming itself in violation of the Treaty of Versailles. Now, I understand that the Germans were not too happy with the humiliating conditions imposed on them by the Treaty, but it was either that or watch the rest of the Fatherland being overrun by British and French troops.

But had the pre-WWII countries been more interested in monitoring the Germans' hegemonistic ambitions, Hitler would have nothing better than a pea-shooter with wich to attempt to invade France. Then the situation would have been a lot different.

In fact, the French Resistance played a valuable role in facilitating the Allies' rapid advance through France following the invasion of Normandy on June 6, 1944 and Provence on August 15, by providing military intelligence on the Atlantic Wall and Wehrmacht deployments and coordinating acts of sabotage on power, transport and telecommunications networks. It was also politically and morally important for France both during the occupation and for decades after as it provided the country with an inspiring example that stood in marked contrast to the collaboration of the Vichy Regime.

Incidentally, had Europe been paying attention instead of turning a blind eye to German saber-rattling, the killing of civilians at Guernica, at the hands of German bomber pilots, would have been likewise avoided.

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A commonly held viewpoint is that the involvement of the Luftwaffe in the (Spanish) Civil War constituted a proving ground for troops employed later during World War II. This view is supported by the comments of then Reichsmarschall Hermann Göring at the Nuremberg Trials.

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Just like some men aren't even capable to find sources by themselves ....
Care to name the person whom you are referring to?

We cannot forget what the German goverment did in WWII for the simple reason that Germany's actions in WWII served to plant the seeds for the troubles that we now see.

Simply put, no German invasion of European countries (including Russia) no rise of Russian military power no Cold War, no Iron Curtain...well, you can see wheere I am going with this.

Incidentally, I have always maintained and continue to maintain that ther German people were as much a victim of Hitler's ambitions as the citizens of other countries. The German who died in Dresden would not have been killed if Hitler and Goring had not decided to bomb London. There would have been no East Germany and none of the suffeirng of the German people under the Communists woould have happened.

And yes, for reasons that are patently obvious here and elsewhere, we should enforce our immigration laws and keep the riff-raff and the dregs out.
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Old 08-13-2008, 07:19 PM
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Old 08-13-2008, 07:22 PM
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On a different note, if I wanted to make a correction, I would certainly make sure I make the correct correction.

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The idea that the French did not fight is a myth. The Vichy goverment was quick to capitulate in the face of better armed troops.
Which was a result not of French unwillingness to fight, but miscalculation on force placement. Their army was in the wrong place. The Germans quick arrival in Paris scared the hell out of the politicians, who promptly gave up.


Anyway, are we done being condescended to, or are we still talking about Georgia and random Mein Kampf quotes?
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Old 08-14-2008, 02:32 AM
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The idea that the French did not fight is a myth. The Vichy goverment was quick to capitulate in the face of better armed troops. Which, coincidentally, was in violation of the peace treaty that the retreating Kaiser general were forced to sign.

The pre-WWII German goverment had no problem re-arming itself in violation of the Treaty of Versailles. Now, I understand that the Germans were not too happy with the humiliating conditions imposed on them by the Treaty, but it was either that or watch the rest of the Fatherland being overrun by British and French troops.

But had the pre-WWII countries been more interested in monitoring the Germans' hegemonistic ambitions, Hitler would have nothing better than a pea-shooter with wich to attempt to invade France. Then the situation would have been a lot different.

In fact, the French Resistance played a valuable role in facilitating the Allies' rapid advance through France following the invasion of Normandy on June 6, 1944 and Provence on August 15, by providing military intelligence on the Atlantic Wall and Wehrmacht deployments and coordinating acts of sabotage on power, transport and telecommunications networks. It was also politically and morally important for France both during the occupation and for decades after as it provided the country with an inspiring example that stood in marked contrast to the collaboration of the Vichy Regime.

Incidentally, had Europe been paying attention instead of turning a blind eye to German saber-rattling, the killing of civilians at Guernica, at the hands of German bomber pilots, would have been likewise avoided.

From the Wiki:

A commonly held viewpoint is that the involvement of the Luftwaffe in the (Spanish) Civil War constituted a proving ground for troops employed later during World War II. This view is supported by the comments of then Reichsmarschall Hermann Göring at the Nuremberg Trials.



Care to name the person whom you are referring to?

We cannot forget what the German goverment did in WWII for the simple reason that Germany's actions in WWII served to plant the seeds for the troubles that we now see.

Simply put, no German invasion of European countries (including Russia) no rise of Russian military power no Cold War, no Iron Curtain...well, you can see wheere I am going with this.

Incidentally, I have always maintained and continue to maintain that ther German people were as much a victim of Hitler's ambitions as the citizens of other countries. The German who died in Dresden would not have been killed if Hitler and Goring had not decided to bomb London. There would have been no East Germany and none of the suffeirng of the German people under the Communists woould have happened.

And yes, for reasons that are patently obvious here and elsewhere, we should enforce our immigration laws and keep the riff-raff and the dregs out.
‘We cannot forget what the German goverment did in WWII for the simple reason that Germany's actions in WWII served to plant the seeds for the troubles that we now see.’

Just as I said.
All evil starts and ends with Germans and/or Nazis, at least in the minds of those who don't know any better than to shift the blame in this direction or otherwise away from themselves.

The only rattling I see comes from a person who can't get his/her mind of the subject, not withstanding any circumstances before or parallel to the quoted time span, much less any current experience or reference to geographies in question.

It’s a premeditated failure to communicate.
By continuing so, every individual involved can hold his/herself accountable for contributing to the future large-scale failure of the traditional United States.

Yet, there is nothing to worry about (except whatever the Russians, Iranians and gawd-knows-who does… and of course what the evil Germans did … ) because, the playing field for the future is already level, no matter who will be the new White House occupier.

No I don’t care to name any persons and neither to I care to correct the 11 spelling and grammar errors in the above quoted presentation.
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Old 08-14-2008, 02:36 AM
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Yep, always the evil Germans, Chinese, Russians and Iranians.........glad to see impotent subservient Indians are out of the picture for now, dunno when they would be back. Also the glorified toymaker Japanese seem never to be mentioned in this equation as well.

As they say.........the Germans did it.
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Old 08-14-2008, 07:55 AM
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One could argue that your posts are a perfect example of why the U.S. needs stricter immigration controls... .
Aren't you a reformed commie pinko your self?
They let you in, what are you complaining about?

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The idea that the French did not fight is a myth.
They fought all right. There were a few thousand German casualties when all was said and done. It's just that on the whole they fought spectacularly badly with utterly incompetent leadership from the very top top all the way down to the junior leadership.

I'd suggest reading some works by "Tony Judt" on the subject. In particular his essay on the Fall of France in a book recently published called "Reappraisals, Reflections on the forgotten 20th century" relating to this issue.


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The Vichy goverment was quick to capitulate in the face of better armed troops.
Again. Not really true. The French were in many respects as well armed as the Germans. They were merely rotten to the core.

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In fact, the French Resistance played a valuable role in facilitating the Allies' rapid advance through France following the invasion of Normandy on June 6, 1944 and Provence on August 15, by providing military intelligence on the Atlantic Wall and Wehrmacht deployments and coordinating acts of sabotage on power, transport and telecommunications networks. It was also politically and morally important for France both during the occupation and for decades after as it provided the country with an inspiring example that stood in marked contrast to the collaboration of the Vichy Regime.
I think the myth of the French "resistance" is highly overated. Once again refer to Judt's works and folks like Norman Davies for an alternative take on the French "resistance".

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We cannot forget what the German goverment did in WWII for the simple reason that Germany's actions in WWII served to plant the seeds for the troubles that we now see.

Simply put, no German invasion of European countries (including Russia) no rise of Russian military power no Cold War, no Iron Curtain...well, you can see wheere I am going with this.
Largely correct I think.

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Back on topic?

I know I said that I was going to ignore this thread but...


Today the Russian Foreign Minister said and I quote "Georgian territorial integrity is a dead issue"

Welcome to the Russian Empire II!



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