US army suicides hit record high - Page 2 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

aklim · #16 01-30-2009, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MTI

Seems like someone could use a little therapy . . .

No problem. Find me a bunch of mindfawks that can agree on the diagnosis, treatment and time required. Like I said, would you accept your mechanic or house builder if they worked on the same terms?

MTI · #17 01-30-2009, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

No problem. Find me a bunch of mindfawks that can agree on the diagnosis, treatment and time required. Like I said, would you accept your mechanic or house builder if they worked on the same terms?

By attempting to live in such a black and white world with guarantees, where lives and loves are merely mechanisms that wear and fail . . . you must be extremely disappointed with the experience so far . . . how long have you hated this existence?

aklim · #18 01-30-2009, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MTI

By attempting to live in such a black and white world with guarantees, you must be extremely disappointed with the experience so far . . .

how long have you hated this existence?

Lower the expectations, lessen the disappointments and increase the pleasant surprises. Sure, a little bit of color is fine but when it becomes one huge melange, I find that a little hard to accept. If you want to call mindfawking an art, fair enough. For me to take it seriously as a science, not as it stands.

Well, it all started from when I was young. My father would beat me and my mommy didn't love me enough. Wehn I was in school, the kids would bully me because Mom and Dad dressed me differently. You could say I had a bad childhood. Even in high school, classmates were throwing grass sod at me during PT times. That makes me hate PT. Whenever asked to exercise, I think of those moments. As a result, I am 200# overweight. It isn't my fault. It all started from my childhood. Because of me being overweight and not able to exercise, I can't get a date. That makes me hate myself even more. I am so angry with life, I just want to go to a gym and pee in the pool.

LUVMBDiesels · #19 01-30-2009, 06:34 PM

Any suicides are a tragedy.

However, look at the Russian numbers. Similar sized army but twice the suicides.

USA:
QUOTE:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7859797.stm
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The rate of suicides among soldiers in the US army has risen to a record level for the second year in a row.
The army said there were 128 confirmed suicides in 2008, with a further 15 deaths still under investigation.
Military officials said they did not know why the number has kept increasing but that the stress of conflicts overseas had had a significant impact.
The army has said it is committed to addressing the issue and has introduced training to raise awareness.
"This is a challenge of the highest order for us," said US Army Secretary Pete Geren.
"Why do the numbers keep going up? We cannot tell you. But we can tell you that across the army, we're committed to doing everything we can to address the problem."
Conflict stress
About 35% of the suicides were of soldiers who had never been deployed, while 30% were soldiers who were on active service - three quarters of them on their first tour of duty.
Another 35% took place after deployment, mostly more than a year after the soldier had returned home."

RUSSIA:

QUOTE:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7425694.stm
"Almost an entire battalion of Russian soldiers committed suicide last year, the country's chief military prosecutor has said.
A total of 341 military personnel killed themselves in 2007, a reduction of 15% on the previous year.
But Sergei Fridinsky said the numbers were worrying and called for a national strategy to prepare men for service.
Bullying, often extremely violent, is rife in the army and is the most common reason for suicide.
"Almost a battalion of military servicemen - 341 people - were irrevocably lost in the past year as a result of suicide," Mr Fridinsky said.""

Both the US and Russia have to work on reducing this

Medmech · #20 01-30-2009, 07:16 PM

'A'rmy should always be capitalized.

strelnik · #21 01-30-2009, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

I would say they have outlived their usefulness seeing as how the newer units are more efficient and less hassle to maintain.

So you're gonna buy a new MB every year? Can I have the old one

I love the old stuff because of what it teaches me.

strelnik · #22 01-30-2009, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Howitzer

'A'rmy should always be capitalized.

The Rooooossians have lost LOTS more than that, believe me when I tell you they sanitize everything much more than we ever do...

cmac2012 · #23 01-30-2009, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Kuan

It's not shocking. The suicide rate has been rising steadily in the US over the last few years, most notably in the middle aged population. You would expect a proportionate amount of them to be army deaths.

I'm not sure that explains it fully. It couldn't have helped to have been under a commander in chief who, in spite of demonstrating a lack of courage in fighting in wars he believed in when he had the chance, was filled with macho courage and bluster while risking the lives of average soldiers.

That and the fact that the missions they've been sent on are essentially unwinnable.

cmac2012 · #24 01-30-2009, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

It's probably th fault of the danged Juden. I mean Jews. Sorry.

Mmm yahhsss . . . Just the trivial rantings of lesser beings.

Just ignore them and go back to your vital work . . . I mean that which you do when you aren't online on gubmint computers.

mwood · #25 01-30-2009, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

I believe there is a difference between a physical illness and psychological "illnesses". One might be worthwhile to treat. Take a 40 yo person who has useful life. Is it worth investing in him/her? Absolutely. If I were at say 80 and needing a heart transplant. Would I be a worthwhile investment since I have no useful life left? Absolutely not. Do I believe in psychology or psychiatry? Absolutely. As much as I believe in voodoo.

Let me guess; you're a Scientologist?

LUVMBDiesels · #26 01-30-2009, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Howitzer

'A'rmy should always be capitalized.

I agree 'US Army' or 'Russian Army' should be capitalized. Generic 'army' doesn't need to be...

What I was trying to say was that even with similar sized forces, the rate of suicides is much lower in the US Army. However, 1 suicide is too many in my book...

John Doe · #27 01-30-2009, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Howitzer

'A'rmy should always be capitalized.

And losers that hate their own countries seem to only post here pointing out issues with ours.

Botnst · #28 01-30-2009, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

I'm not sure that explains it fully. It couldn't have helped to have been under a commander in chief who, in spite of demonstrating a lack of courage in fighting in wars he believed in when he had the chance, was filled with macho courage and bluster while risking the lives of average soldiers.

That and the fact that the missions they've been sent on are essentially unwinnable.

I KNEW IT! It's Bush's fault!

You a coward when you see one, because you know all about people who sit on the sidelines and reap the benefits provided by people who risk their lives and cede their constitutional rights to keep you fat and happy. You go ahead and tell me who the f**king coward is. Smart guy.

Botnst · #29 01-30-2009, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

Mmm yahhsss . . . Just the trivial rantings of lesser beings.

Just ignore them and go back to your vital work . . . I mean that which you do when you aren't online on gubmint computers.

I'm on line from my home computer, Mr Computer Genius. You're batting 1,000 so far.