The Gun Thread

[DieselAddict]

Originally Posted by Da Nag

The SC just made it perfectly clear the 2nd is an individual right, and as such, has no bearing on militia membership - however you wish to define it.

Yes, and as I recall the SC also made it perfectly clear that the 2nd amendment is not an unlimited right, i.e. felons and other undesirables cannot own guns and local jurisdictions can impose their own rules. But I did not study the SC ruling in any great detail.

[Mistress]

Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

According to the ATF, these people can't receive or posses firearms -

(B5) Are there certain persons who cannot legally receive or possess firearms and/or ammunition? [Back]
Yes, a person who –

(1) Has been convicted in any court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding 1 year;
(2) Is a fugitive from justice;
(3) Is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance;
(4) Has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to a mental institution;
(5) Is an alien illegally or unlawfully in the United States or an alien admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa;
(6) Has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions;
(7) Having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced his or her citizenship;
(8) Is subject to a court order that restrains the person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of such intimate partner; or
(9) Has been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence
(10) Cannot lawfully receive, possess, ship, or transport a firearm.

How do you prove #4? And if someone was convicted of a felony for smoking pot when they were a teenager do you think they should be able to purchase or own firearms as an adult if they have not had any other infractions with the law?

[cmbdiesel]

Originally Posted by Mistress

How do you prove #4? And if someone was convicted of a felony for smoking pot when they were a teenager do you think they should be able to purchase or own firearms as an adult if they have not had any other infractions with the law?

Determined by a judge, either in a criminal hearing or a competency hearing.

Don't think that smoking pot is a felony, sure hope not anyway. The felony restriction is not entirely accurate. It needs to be a conviction of a crime that carries a sentence of 1 year or more in jail.

I lifted those restrictions directly from the ATF website.

[Mistress]

Way back when, if you were caught with a certain amount of canibis on your person it was a felony. This to me seems like a non violent- crime. No one's being held a gun point, not a violent act albeit a stupid one , I think if someone has proven themselves to be a responsible adult some 40 years later then they should be allowed to own a firearm.

[Da Nag]

Originally Posted by amosfella

Anyone know who she is???

No...but she appears to be well regulated.

[Fulcrum525]

Originally Posted by Hatterasguy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s6_vufc1ns&feature=related

Where the f*% do these people get these things?

[Hatterasguy]

Russia.com: What do you need comrade?

[DieselAddict]

Anyone catch tonight's 20/20? They were talking about guns. It amazes me that in Virginia they still haven't closed the gun show loophole that allows anyone to buy a gun without a background check. The show's guy was able to buy a trunk load of guns, even some assault rifles, without even showing an ID. They also showed how difficult it is to successfully defend yourself against a surprise shooter in a classroom even if you're armed.

[jplinville]

Originally Posted by DieselAddict

Anyone catch tonight's 20/20? They were talking about guns. It amazes me that in Virginia they still haven't closed the gun show loophole that allows anyone to buy a gun without a background check. The show's guy was able to buy a trunk load of guns, even some assault rifles, without even showing an ID. They also showed how difficult it is to successfully defend yourself against a surprise shooter in a classroom even if you're armed.

So, do you believe everything you watch on television? i have some bad news for you...Tom and Jerry aren't real.

When properly trained in defending yourself, then it's not difficult to do.

[jplinville]

Originally Posted by Fulcrum525

Where the f*% do these people get these things?

Military surplus sales. Friend of mine, who is a collector of WWII and Korean Warmilitary equipment, has two of them. One is working, and the other is in pieces right now being repaired.

He also own 7 or 8 Jeeps, a deuce and a half, plus other equipment. I have fun everytime I visit him.

[Botnst]

Gun owners need to fear their guns. One of these late nights your guns are going to take-over your brains and make you kill somebody. Guns are like that.

[LUVMBDiesels]

Originally Posted by DieselAddict

Anyone catch tonight's 20/20? They were talking about guns. It amazes me that in Virginia they still haven't closed the gun show loophole that allows anyone to buy a gun without a background check. The show's guy was able to buy a trunk load of guns, even some assault rifles, without even showing an ID. They also showed how difficult it is to successfully defend yourself against a surprise shooter in a classroom even if you're armed.

What do they mean by Assault Rifles? Semi-auto weapons the LOOK LIKE military arms? This obsession with "Assault weapons" is getting crazy...

Actually I think Va does have a background check at gun shows, If the dealer is a 'professional' gun dealer and not a private collector selling some of his private stock he has to run the NCIC check. Of course I could be wrong...

[cmbdiesel]

Originally Posted by LUVMBDiesels

What do they mean by Assault Rifles? Semi-auto weapons the LOOK LIKE military arms? This obsession with "Assault weapons" is getting crazy...

Actually I think Va does have a background check at gun shows, If the dealer is a 'professional' gun dealer and not a private collector selling some of his private stock he has to run the NCIC check. Of course I could be wrong...

See post 151 for the gov'ts description of assault weapons.

You are correct about VA gun show laws, 'amateur sellers' (those without Federal dealer license) are not required to perform background checks. Approximately 35% of VA gun show sales are by 'amateurs"

[cmbdiesel]

Originally Posted by Mistress

Way back when, if you were caught with a certain amount of canibis on your person it was a felony. This to me seems like a non violent- crime. No one's being held a gun point, not a violent act albeit a stupid one , I think if someone has proven themselves to be a responsible adult some 40 years later then they should be allowed to own a firearm.

I think possession of 'personal use' marijuana should be legal, and should have no bearing on whether or not you can own firearms.

[Botnst]

Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

See post 151 for the gov'ts description of assault weapons.

You are correct about VA gun show laws, 'amateur sellers' (those without Federal dealer license) are not required to perform background checks. Approximately 35% of VA gun show sales are by 'amateurs"

35% seems about right, at least for around here. Most of the collectors I talk to at gun shows are just that: Collectors. There are fewer retailers and their booths are pretty darned obvious. From what I have seen, retailers' prices at gun shows are not a lot different from store front retailers. Many (I'd guess most) retailers are storefront first and other venues second. That's definitely a guess. Frankly, I don't really give a damn. I like going to shows to look at and admire fine weapons. There was a double H&H in .416 that I'd love to have. That is an all business piece. Also an old Thompson from the '30's. The stock was abused, the bluing was worn and a few scratches on the receiver. The owner said it had been carried in the Pacific theater in WWII. I'd love to have it but I'd need a dang permit. Oh well.