The Gun Thread

[pj67coll]

Originally Posted by JollyRoger

I think a "well regulated militia" means that guns need to be treated like cars, another deadly weapon that is well regulated and available to the militia in case of war.

Civil war. The milita were not intended for action against a foreign aggressor but as a standing force of action against the nations own government. The freedom of which the 2nd speaks is not from foreign invasion from from domestic oppression.

- Peter.

[cmbdiesel]

I vote for enforcing the laws we already have. Eliminating the sale of assault weapons. (If you want one, you should be licensed) Severe penalties for illegal sales or importing of firearms. Get rid of the large magazines, there is no earthly reason for magazines that hold more than 10 rounds. If your record has ANY violent crimes, crimes against children, gang related crime, drug related crime, gun related crime, sex related crime, YOU don't get to have a gun.

My favorite - Russian SKS circa 1950 (I have only 10 round clips, destroyed the 30 round bananas)
Favorite handgun - Stainless 357 mag with 8" barrel
Shotgun - really depends on the application, but for home defense the mossburg 500 with riot barrel

[OldPokey]

Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

I vote for enforcing the laws we already have. Eliminating the sale of assault weapons.

Have you ever tried to purchase a military grade Kalashnikov or M-16? Those are assault rifles, and they are already illegal for anybody but the military and law enforcement to have. The rest of us have to be satisfied with semi automatic rifles that are not assault weapons at all - even if they look like them. Give me a bolt action Winchester Model 70 any day - or should that be regulated too (because it's really just a nicely decked out sniper rifle)?

[JollyRoger]

Originally Posted by OldPokey

Have you ever tried to purchase a military grade Kalashnikov or M-16? Those are assault rifles, and they are already illegal for anybody but the military and law enforcement to have. The rest of us have to be satisfied with semi automatic rifles that are not assault weapons at all - even if they look like them. Give me a bolt action Winchester Model 70 any day - or should that be regulated too (because it's really just a nicely decked out sniper rifle)?

Buy a file, it doesn't take a lot of effort to convert them. That's why they should be more tightly controlled.

[strelnik]

Originally Posted by JollyRoger

Buy a file, it doesn't take a lot of effort to convert them. That's why they should be more tightly controlled.

I guarantee you it is NOT that easy to do, unless you want to kill yourself in the process by converting a gun made to fire with a closed bolt into one that fires with an open bolt, but oh it can't and the parts come together and they are not supposed to kinda like when a timing chain breaks and the gears and the valves and the pistons all clash and BBBBBOOOOOOOOOMMMM! in your face, baby!

[LUVMBDiesels]

Originally Posted by strelnik

I guarantee you it is NOT that easy to do, unless you want to kill yourself in the process by converting a gun made to fire with a closed bolt into one that fires with an open bolt, but oh it can't and the parts come together and they are not supposed to kinda like when a timing chain breaks and the gears and the valves and the pistons all clash and BBBBBOOOOOOOOOMMMM! in your face, baby!

The only one that I know of that was easy to convert was the M1 Carbine.
They sold a kit at the shows with a template, a drill bit and a spring. The instructions went something like this

1) Do NOT place the template over the receiver as shown in the picture.

2) Do NOT drill a hole using the provided drill bit at the place marked on the template

3) Do NOT hook the spring from the hole to the place on the trigger mechanism shown in the instructions



For laws, we should go with the laws in Vermont or WV. Open carry, pistols are not licensed, but to conceal carry you need a license. The license should be relatively easy to get. In WV the background check took less than five minutes and I was done. I think you need a check to make sure the person you are selling to is a legal resident, not a convicted felon (traffic court does not apply here) and not too crazy...
I am not in favor of restricting pistols to store owners and bankers as they do in NY. It is almost impossible to get a pistol permit in NY.

For guns, right now just the 12 Ga pump. Doing skeet and trap for now. Got my kid into it and now he is better than me. He wants a Browning O/U $$$$

Soon I will get the Taurus Judge with the ability to fire .45 and 410 shells! Perfect home defender...

I also want the K98 I passed up a few years ago. Love old bolt action mil rifles!

The wifey wants a Thompson! but $4000 for a semi-auto Tommy gun is a bit much. Also it will knock her on her @ss!

[Botnst]

Originally Posted by LUVMBDiesels

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The wifey wants a Thompson! but $4000 for a semi-auto Tommy gun is a bit much. Also it will knock her on her @ss!

I'm with Mrs LUV. I've wanted one of those since forever."Saving Private Ryan" rekindled it. I fired the M-1 Carbine when I was a teenager but didn't much care for it. It was owned by a guy who used one during WWII. A former Seabee. Said it was good for shooting Japanese soldiers at night. His language was more colorful.

[JollyRoger]

Originally Posted by LUVMBDiesels

The only one that I know of that was easy to convert was the M1 Carbine.
They sold a kit at the shows with a template, a drill bit and a spring. The instructions went something like this

1) Do NOT place the template over the receiver as shown in the picture.

2) Do NOT drill a hole using the provided drill bit at the place marked on the template

3) Do NOT hook the spring from the hole to the place on the trigger mechanism shown in the instructions



For laws, we should go with the laws in Vermont or WV. Open carry, pistols are not licensed, but to conceal carry you need a license. The license should be relatively easy to get. In WV the background check took less than five minutes and I was done. I think you need a check to make sure the person you are selling to is a legal resident, not a convicted felon (traffic court does not apply here) and not too crazy...
I am not in favor of restricting pistols to store owners and bankers as they do in NY. It is almost impossible to get a pistol permit in NY.

For guns, right now just the 12 Ga pump. Doing skeet and trap for now. Got my kid into it and now he is better than me. He wants a Browning O/U $$$$

Soon I will get the Taurus Judge with the ability to fire .45 and 410 shells! Perfect home defender...

I also want the K98 I passed up a few years ago. Love old bolt action mil rifles!

The wifey wants a Thompson! but $4000 for a semi-auto Tommy gun is a bit much. Also it will knock her on her @ss!

I'm quite a fan of the M1 Carbine, back years ago I worked on the road a lot, and the variations in local gun laws made carrying a pistol problematic, so I started carrying a paratroop M1 model with the folding stock and shorter barrel, legal anywhere. I had a long tool box that it fit into quite nicely, and it was nicely concealed in it when going in an out of hotel rooms, and if I was working in a sketchy part of town, I would just have my toolbox nearby and looked perfectly normal. It is a highly underrated weapon, IMO. There still are a lot of pamphlets and such around the local gun shows on converting one to full auto, I have one somewhere around the house in case the Anti-Christ One World Government Headquartered in Moscow arrives, I check Glenn Beck daily for updates.

[catmandoo62]

Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

. Eliminating the sale of assault weapons.

define assault weapon???

[Botnst]

Originally Posted by catmandoo62

define assault weapon???

It has a bayonet lug and a big magazine.

[cmbdiesel]

Originally Posted by catmandoo62

define assault weapon???

Personal beliefs aside

‘(30) The term ‘semiautomatic assault weapon’ means--

‘(A) any of the firearms, or copies or duplicates of the firearms in any caliber, known as--

‘(i) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat Kalashnikovs (all models);


‘(ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil;


‘(iii) Beretta Ar70 (SC-70);


‘(iv) Colt AR-15;


‘(v) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC;


‘(vi) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12;


‘(vii) Steyr AUG;


‘(viii) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9 and TEC-22; and


‘(ix) revolving cylinder shotguns, such as (or similar to) the Street Sweeper and Striker 12;



‘(B) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of--

‘(i) a folding or telescoping stock;


‘(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;


‘(iii) a bayonet mount;


‘(iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and


‘(v) a grenade launcher;



‘(C) a semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of--

‘(i) an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;


‘(ii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer;


‘(iii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned;


‘(iv) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and


‘(v) a semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm; and



‘(D) a semiautomatic shotgun that has at least 2 of--

‘(i) a folding or telescoping stock;


‘(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;


‘(iii) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds; and


‘(iv) an ability to accept a detachable magazine.’.

[Botnst]

Pistol grips cause crime.

[cmbdiesel]

Originally Posted by Botnst

Pistol grips cause crime.

Why would you need the extra tactical maneuverability of a pistol grip on a rifle or shotgun? Do the deer in your area come at you from all sides or around corners?
Besides, I didn't invent the definitions, your congressional representatives did.
I feel more strongly about the large magazines. Of course if the deer are swarming you, having the pistol grip and the 30 round magazine could save your life.

[GregoryV022]

Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

Why would you need the extra tactical maneuverability of a pistol grip on a rifle or shotgun? Do the deer in your area come at you from all sides or around corners?
Besides, I didn't invent the definitions, your congressional representatives did.

comfort, and they look cool.

let me just say that the few ruin it for the many.


i also think that everyone should have a gun and let natural selection run its course. well not literally, but if everyone had a gun then no one would have an advantage over another. at least it would even the field. but the moment you step over the line, your gun is gone.

two years ago i heard this story of a guy who went on a shooting spree in a law college. except it didn't last that long because one guy had a gun and ended it after only two casualties only one of whom died.

[Botnst]

Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

Why would you need the extra tactical maneuverability of a pistol grip on a rifle or shotgun? Do the deer in your area come at you from all sides or around corners?
Besides, I didn't invent the definitions, your congressional representatives did.
I feel more strongly about the large magazines. Of course if the deer are swarming you, having the pistol grip and the 30 round magazine could save your life.

The 2nd amendment wasn't written to guarantee the right to hunt deer.

It was all about protecting the individual's household and community from external threats. It is of equal importance to the 1st and all other amendments in the Bill of Rights. So named because of those amendments' restrictions on government's ability to step on the neck of the people.

The 2nd Amendment is a tool for guaranteeing the other amendments in the Bill of Rights.