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TylerH860 · #16 05-19-2009, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy

How much you want to bet all the car manufactures fall way short of this and simply negotiate a reduction so its hardly meaningful?

People want their cake with no pain. If you want high mileage cars, and to reduce emissions etc, you need to raise the price of gas. As we saw last summer the breaking point is $4-$5 a gallon. The goverment can do this with taxes, and while it would be painful short term, long term it would probably be better.

Wouldn't take long to pay off the deficit with that plan, but I bet whoever put that in place would never win re-election, if they weren't assassinated first.

MS Fowler · #17 05-19-2009, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Strife

This is a big battle going on now between the car manufacturers and the EPA - the formula to credit an electric or (mostly) electric car with some equivalent highway MPG rating. There's a lot of money at stake.

Seems like the formula should incorporate similar thinking to how they arrive at the Corporate fuel ratings--total miles divied by total gallons.

cmbdiesel · #18 05-19-2009, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

Seems like the formula should incorporate similar thinking to how they arrive at the Corporate fuel ratings--total miles divied by total gallons.

That ignores the energy required to charge the batteries.

I think 35MPG is doable for many vehicles. Anyone who has been paying attention realizes that 35 is not a huge step. Look at the numbers - http://www.bts.gov/publications/national_transportation_statistics/html/table_04_23.html The MPG ratings have been fairly static in some classes, while posting modest gains in others.

Strife · #19 05-19-2009, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by davidmash

Expensive? Hard? Why? My wife's 13 yr old E300 makes 32-33mpg. Someone going to try and tell me that in 13 yrs we cannot eek a few more MPG out of an engine? I find that very hard to believe.

Now try doing that in a 4500 pound SUV that puts a fresh spring breeze and the smell of daffodils out the tailpipe, while getting a 0-60 time of at least... of...well...eventually.

catmandoo62 · #20 05-19-2009, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Strife

You can bet that the Chinese are working 24/7 with every engineer they have (and brilliant or not, they have a LOT of them), right now, on how to make these new "2016" cars. Some good I see coming out of this would be:

1. Cheap, mass-produced carbon fiber parts with entirely new large-scale manufacturing methods
2. small, ultraefficient, single-speed/load engines charging up energy storage systems (compressed air, hydraulics, ultracapacitors or batteries) so that you get the "oomph" you need for acceleration and passing combined with great steady-state mileage

If you think "the Chinese can't atually design or invent anything, they can only copy it", think again. When I was a kid, admittedly long ago, but when technological change was MUCH slower, "made in Japan" was an equivalent statement to "junk". That took maybe 30 years (1955-1985) to turn around to the point where Japan's products are now respected as if not the best, among the best worldwide. So, how long is it going to take ten times as many highly motivated Chinese to do this in the Internet era?

the chinese building and designing isn't the problem.them meeting crash safety ratings is.

SwampYankee · #21 05-19-2009, 08:47 AM

So much for preemption and state's rights. Now to just convince Americans that they really want what they don't want in a new vehicle.

Thank Dog for old diesels and pre-emission cars! For now.

Txjake · #22 05-19-2009, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy

How much you want to bet all the car manufactures fall way short of this and simply negotiate a reduction so its hardly meaningful?

People want their cake with no pain. If you want high mileage cars, and to reduce emissions etc, you need to raise the price of gas. As we saw last summer the breaking point is $4-$5 a gallon. The goverment can do this with taxes, and while it would be painful short term, long term it would probably be better.

you are absolutely smoking crack...a sustained fuel rate of $4-5 a gallon would wreck this economy more than it already is. The price of everything will go waaay up...and the end user (us) will pay for it

davidmash · #23 05-19-2009, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Strife

Now try doing that in a 4500 pound SUV that puts a fresh spring breeze and the smell of daffodils out the tailpipe, while getting a 0-60 time of at least... of...well...eventually.

4500 lb SUV? The E300 weighs about 4500 lb's so whats the big deal?

It's time to start saving fuel. We cannot have everything we want.

tankdriver · #24 05-19-2009, 09:55 AM

Maybe we'll finally start getting those European cars we all want to see in our market.

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Originally Posted by Strife

Now try doing that in a 4500 pound SUV that puts a fresh spring breeze and the smell of daffodils out the tailpipe, while getting a 0-60 time of at least... of...well...eventually.

If they can't, then bye SUVs.

PaulC · #25 05-19-2009, 09:58 AM

Bye anything over 2,750 pounds.

SwampYankee · #26 05-19-2009, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulC

Bye anything over 2,750 pounds.

Peels for everyone!

pawoSD · #27 05-19-2009, 10:50 AM

Jeremy Clarkson tested a high end Jag with a twin turbo V6 diesel a while back, and even driving wastefully and with all car options on and such....he still got well over 40mpg.....

If the Jetta TDI wagon can get over 40mpg.....then 35.5 should be an easy target. And I bet both of those vehicles weigh a lot more than 2,750....

pawoSD · #28 05-19-2009, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SwampYankee

Peels for everyone!

I'd drive one!

davidmash · #29 05-19-2009, 12:44 PM

US car manufactures have cried wolf too many times. Seat bealts.... it drive the cost up of cars. Air bags... it drive the cost up of cars. ABS, it...... OH shut the hell up already.

If my 13 yr old Diesel can get 32mpg then there is no problem getting a 4500 lb vehicle over 35mpr in 2016.

Fulcrum525 · #30 05-19-2009, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Strife

Now try doing that in a 4500 pound SUV that puts a fresh spring breeze and the smell of daffodils out the tailpipe, while getting a 0-60 time of at least... of...well...eventually.

Land Rover Discovery Td5-
Economy: 34.4mpg extra urban, 30.1mpg combined
0-60mph: 14.2 seconds (Slow; but still faster then a 240d with a lot more weight to push around)

That is just one example out of many. (ok so the tailpipe doesn't smell like daffodils but I've never minded the smell of passanger car diesels)