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aklim · #**121** 06-02-2009, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by RichC

Physical ability and mental ability are two different things.

But you will never convince me that one race is superrior to another.
Or that one race is more intelligent.

Go back and read about Hitlar and Goebels work.
Find out where this kind of thinking will lead you.

The principle is the same. Don't make the cut, get left behind.

Never said that.

One can never say. If he had not fought the war the way he did, we might be doing the sieg heil thing to each other now.

aklim · #**122** 06-02-2009, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by RichC

If the test is scewed toward one race, then the test is biased.

In school, how do you skew it one way or the other? On a math test, do you say that 3+3=6 or 7?

MS Fowler · #**123** 06-02-2009, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RichC

That is a huge bunch of spin.
Of cource we all have differing physical abilities.
And some of those physical abilities follow racial lines.

That has nothing to do with testing for mental aptitude.
There are biased ways to test for aptitude and there are non biased ways.
If the test is scewed toward one race, then the test is biased.
It does not say anyting about the mental abilities of an entire race of people.
It says the test is faulty.

Your smarter than this.
I have seen abilities on this forum.
You know better.
Why are you trying to find an argument to support something you know is wrong ?

My point was, the if one race scores better than another, the test MIGHT be biased, but it is not necessarily biased. What I object to is the automatic, knee-jerk reaction in almost every case that assumes the test is at fault.

The sucess or failure of a group of people taking a particular test does not say anything about the entire race, either.
It might be that the particular group of people taking that test on that particular day were ill-prepared for the test, and perhaps they should have failed.

MS Fowler · #**124** 06-02-2009, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RichC

Not if the white people cannot play ball like the others.

Physical ability and mental ability are two different things.
Our bodies have adapted to our environments over time.
Giving us some differing abilities.
But the human race seems to be divided equally between stupid and smart.
Intelligence does not follow any racial lines.

But you will never convince me that one race is superrior to another.
Or that one race is more intelligent.
Go back and read about Hitlar and Goebels work.
Find out where this kind of thinking will lead you.

Is this an assumption, a belief, or is there "proof" one way or the other.
In my experience, Asian people, as a group, are better at math. That does not mean that any Asian person will be better at math than me, but, on the average, they will.

aklim · #**125** 06-02-2009, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

My point was, the if one race scores better than another, the test MIGHT be biased, but it is not necessarily biased. What I object to is the automatic, knee-jerk reaction in almost every case that assumes the test is at fault.

The only way I know of a test being biased is if say they asked questions that are of an intimate nature to a certain group. For instance, if you asked about eskimo practices that few people but eskimos will know. But in school tests, the reading material is well known so whether it is in your culture or not, if it is from the book, you can study it. If you don't, you fail. It is that simple. How do you bias that? In the sciences, either your answer is right or it is wrong. Either way, again, the text is present and available to all who are in that class. How can that be biased? I would really like to know.

RichC · #**126** 06-02-2009, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

Is this an assumption, a belief, or is there "proof" one way or the other.
In my experience, Asian people, as a group, are better at math. That does not mean that any Asian person will be better at math than me, but, on the average, they will.

Yes, brain structure is almost exactly the same across the species.
Everyone goes thru the same phazes of learning and adaptation.

While it is amost impossible to seperate the effects of nature from those of nurture.
Or the effect of your genes from the effects of your environment.
We all stumble across basically the same developmental milestones pretty evenly.
( I have yet to find the spelling hurdle )

There are morons and geniouses in every race, and they are dispersed pretty evenly.
Expecially if you normalize the studies for the effects of malnutrition.

MS Fowler · #**127** 06-02-2009, 05:14 PM

Ah yes, nurture verses nature.
A good friend of mine is a case study of that. he and his wife could not have children so they adopted several. They got three girls, all half sisters--mom was a hooker, fathers were unknown. Girls ranged from about 9 to 2 at the time of the adoption. All children raised in a very loving, supportive home with honest Christian values, Two oldest girls --when they hit 18--became just like their mother--for a period of about 10 years before settling down. Youngest girl behaved liked her adoptive parents.

RichC · #**128** 06-03-2009, 02:54 PM

If your interested in that kind of stuff, here is something you will enjoy.

I got facintated about methalation of genes in humans.

Looks like we might be able to change our genes after all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_methylation

I am trying like hell to change some of the genes that have to do with diabities.
diet, stress management, and exercise can physically change our genes.

Billybob · #**129** 06-11-2009, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dculkin

I think it is disrespectful of you to continue to imply that the President or Judge Sotomayor are AA candidates.

"I am a product of affirmative action," she said. "I am the perfect affirmative action baby. I am Puerto Rican born and raised in the south Bronx. My test scores were not comparable to my colleagues at Princeton and Yale. Not so far off so that I wasn't able to succeed at those institutions."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/06/11/sotomayor-called-herself-the-perfect-affirmative-action-baby/

tankdriver · #**130** 06-11-2009, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Billybob

"I am a product of affirmative action," she said. "I am the perfect affirmative action baby. I am Puerto Rican born and raised in the south Bronx. My test scores were not comparable to my colleagues at Princeton and Yale. Not so far off so that I wasn't able to succeed at those institutions."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/06/11/sotomayor-called-herself-the-perfect-affirmative-action-baby/

Good. Proof that it works as intended, and that it is needed.

cmac2012 · #**131** 06-11-2009, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Billybob

"I am a product of affirmative action," she said. "I am the perfect affirmative action baby. I am Puerto Rican born and raised in the south Bronx. My test scores were not comparable to my colleagues at Princeton and Yale. Not so far off so that I wasn't able to succeed at those institutions."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/06/11/sotomayor-called-herself-the-perfect-affirmative-action-baby/

This is not a strong indictment of affirmative action -- quite the contrary. It tells me that although she had the mental ability to graduate 2nd in her class at Princeton, not just any CC, she might not have gotten into that school based on her performance up til then.

Performance measured by the yardstick of the Anglo Saxon majority. Sotomayor's case is a good example of why AA can be a prudent way to go. It helps us to maximize the contribution of our citizens.

Honus · #**132** 06-11-2009, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Billybob

"I am a product of affirmative action," she said. "I am the perfect affirmative action baby. I am Puerto Rican born and raised in the south Bronx. My test scores were not comparable to my colleagues at Princeton and Yale. Not so far off so that I wasn't able to succeed at those institutions."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/06/11/sotomayor-called-herself-the-perfect-affirmative-action-baby/

Well, that's fairly unambiguous, isn't it?

aklim · #**133** 06-11-2009, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by tankdriver

Good. Proof that it works as intended, and that it is needed.

Absolutely correct. It was intended to give the less capable a hand otherwise, they would be down the toilet and as you have said, it works at intended.

aklim · #**134** 06-11-2009, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

This is not a strong indictment of affirmative action -- quite the contrary. It tells me that although she had the mental ability to graduate 2nd in her class at Princeton, not just any CC, she might not have gotten into that school based on her performance up til then.

Performance measured by the yardstick of the Anglo Saxon majority. Sotomayor's case is a good example of why AA can be a prudent way to go. It helps us to maximize the contribution of our citizens.

It also tells me that she is incapable of running the full length of the race. IOW, not really capable but pushed along. Sorry, you last 100 yard sprint after being helped doesn't tell me you can run the marathon without help

Utter BS. What has the ASM got to do with this? IF she was helped by AA at ANY POINT, she is NOT the equal of the ASM, PERIOD.

tankdriver · #**135** 06-11-2009, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Absolutely correct. It was intended to give the less capable a hand otherwise, they would be down the toilet and as you have said, it works at intended.

If she were less capable, she would not have been 2nd in her class.