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tbomachines · #1 08-01-2009, 12:31 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwgzYkTDsmQ

A study recently came out showing that a large percentage of southern republicans believed that obama wasn't born in the united states. Nothing like a bunch of exremist whack-jobs giving southerns and conservatism a bad image.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/vp/32242576#32242576

For the record, the birth certificate has been released a number of times and is available online

Here's a good one with great comments too: http://www.flickr.com/photos/23580873@N05/3201196892/

I don't know how some Americans can be so incredibly stupid. This issue is deepening the rift between moderates (like me) and conservatives.

jdc1244 · #2 08-01-2009, 12:33 PM

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A study recently came out showing that a large percentage of southern republicans believed that obama wasn't born in the united states.

Actually they believe the president was born in the US but is not an “American.”

tbomachines · #3 08-01-2009, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jdc1244

Actually they believe the president was born in the US but is not an “American.”

Wouldn't that make him a natural born American?

Edit: The study asks whether people think he was born in the U.S. And yes, I do realize it is an MSNBC report but still.

Jim B. · #4 08-01-2009, 12:53 PM

Natural-born "Palin/Wurzelbacher "(Joe the Plumber 2012") voters.

The *perfect*

representation of everything the Republican Party now represents.

kknudson · #5 08-01-2009, 01:46 PM

Personally I am of the opinion that he is not entitled to be President.

IMHO.

This is based on what I have read, etc.
His time in the Phillipines as a child makes his citizenship questionable. IMHO if you denounce your citizenship, you denounce it.
Also what I see as cover up, denials etc by the government.

THAT SAID.
I think removing him at this point would create near civil war, and huge ramifications with US / worldwide relationships.

Again IMHO, I think we would be much better off getting rid of the polititicians. I personally think that, unless he was created as a political puppet, his intentions are/were good. He just found out that the political system is so corrupt he couldn't fight it.
I fear he has given up, but I wish he would continue to stand up and fight it.

ie Remember his pounding the table that any of this Tarp, stimulus etc money that was spent wastefully would be reported publicly and brought up by his team.
I haven't heard a peep out of him or his team about any of the money being spent wastefully.
You and I know it's not all being spent wisely (IMHO the reverse), and I can even provide examples.

pj67coll · #6 08-01-2009, 02:07 PM

Where was he born?

- Peter

Chas H · #7 08-01-2009, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by kknudson

Personally I am of the opinion that he is not entitled to be President.

IMHO.

This is based on what I have read, etc.
His time in the Phillipines as a child makes his citizenship questionable. IMHO if you denounce your citizenship, you denounce it.
Also what I see as cover up, denials etc by the government.
.

Could you elaborate on how his time in the Phillipines, and the dates he resided there, affects his citizenship.
And when did Obama denounce his citizenship?

MTI · #8 08-01-2009, 12:51 PM

The 51st State of the Union . . . Denial

MS Fowler · #9 08-01-2009, 07:31 PM

Not part of the conspiracy, but a question

AFAIK the copies of his birth certificate posted everywhere have some questions of their authenticity. Would it be too difficult to have someone certify the original? Again, as I understand the issue, it is the failure to post such a simple thing that gives credence to the conspiracies. Would not the viewing of an unaltered original by some trust-worthy person or persons put an end to all of this?

Chas H · #10 08-01-2009, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

Not part of the conspiracy, but a question

AFAIK the copies of his birth certificate posted everywhere have some questions of their authenticity. Would it be too difficult to have someone certify the original? Again, as I understand the issue, it is the failure to post such a simple thing that gives credence to the conspiracies. Would not the viewing of an unaltered original by some trust-worthy person or persons put an end to all of this?

That has been done, a number of times. The Republican bimbos that won't let go of the issue have nothing constructive to contribute to the countries problems. But that's no surprise.

MS Fowler · #11 08-01-2009, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Chas H

That has been done, a number of times. The Republican bimbos that won't let go of the issue have nothing constructive to contribute to the countries problems. But that's no surprise.

I am unaware that the original has ever been viewed or certifed by some independent agaency.
All I hear is people like you saying," Its all been done, a number of times".

I really do not care--He is OUR President--whether by hook, or by crook. He will serve until a sucessor is elected. It just seems that it would be so easy to put an end to the discussion, but it goes on and on.

Chas H · #12 08-01-2009, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

I am unaware that the original has ever been viewed or certifed by some independent agaency.
All I hear is people like you saying," Its all been done, a number of times".

I really do not care--He is OUR President--whether by hook, or by crook. He will serve until a sucessor is elected. It just seems that it would be so easy to put an end to the discussion, but it goes on and on.

Certainly reality is comprised of much more that your awareness.
A simple search will provide all the evidence anyone with an open mind requires that the document of Obama's birth is genuine.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

tbomachines · #13 08-01-2009, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

I am unaware that the original has ever been viewed or certifed by some independent agaency.
All I hear is people like you saying," Its all been done, a number of times".

Well here's one done by a reputable independent source....

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

edit: oh hey, my copy-paste didn't work.

MS Fowler · #14 08-02-2009, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by tbomachines

Well here's one done by a reputable independent source....

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

edit: oh hey, my copy-paste didn't work.

The problem is that there are no, or very few, reputable and independent source(s)"
Snopes, Annenberg etc all have an agenda. Since the ascendancy of "Advocacy Journalism", there is not a free and independent, investigative press any more. Everyone presents data that has been spun to convince people of the viewpoint of the writer.

mgburg · #15 08-01-2009, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

Not part of the conspiracy, but a question ... AFAIK the copies of his birth certificate posted everywhere have some questions of their authenticity. Would it be too difficult to have someone certify the original? Again, as I understand the issue, it is the failure to post such a simple thing that gives credence to the conspiracies. Would not the viewing of an unaltered original by some trust-worthy person or persons put an end to all of this?

Sorry to say...NOPE. Just like there's two sides to each story, in this case there are three sides:

The "Oer" side's.

The "Anti-Oer" side's.

Then, in the deep, dark recesses of a hermetically-sealed mayonaise jar, buried 6' 6-1/6" deep, next to the porch, outside the back door of the Funk and Wagnall Dictionary Depository, just a mere 3.8 miles S.W. of the beautiful downtown Burbank, there lies the unguarded truth...