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Old 08-01-2009, 10:14 PM
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I am unaware that the original has ever been viewed or certifed by some independent agaency.
All I hear is people like you saying," Its all been done, a number of times".
Well here's one done by a reputable independent source....

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

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Old 08-02-2009, 08:37 AM
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Well here's one done by a reputable independent source....

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

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The problem is that there are no, or very few, reputable and independent source(s)"
Snopes, Annenberg etc all have an agenda. Since the ascendancy of "Advocacy Journalism", there is not a free and independent, investigative press any more. Everyone presents data that has been spun to convince people of the viewpoint of the writer.
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Old 08-02-2009, 11:01 AM
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The problem is that there are no, or very few, reputable and independent source(s)...
I disagree. The problem is not that there are no, or very few, reputable and independent sources. The vital records people have certified his birth in the same way that they verify anyone's birth. The people responsible for keeping these records have said that they saw the original birth certificate and that it says that Obama was born in Hawaii.

What would you have them do? Get the original out and pass it around the country so that everyone can touch it and see it up close?

No, the problem is not a lack of reputable and independent sources. The problem is that people continue to play along with this racist nonsense.
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The problem is that there are no, or very few, reputable and independent source(s)"
Snopes, Annenberg etc all have an agenda. Since the ascendancy of "Advocacy Journalism", there is not a free and independent, investigative press any more. Everyone presents data that has been spun to convince people of the viewpoint of the writer.
Factcheck is a nonpartisan source, the Annenberg foundation is a nonprofit fund. It is pretty dependable and pretty close to as independent as you're going to get. It isn't a news source.
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