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Chas H · #16 08-01-2009, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by kerry

To denounce one's citizenship is quite different than renouncing one's citizenship. I've denounced my country a number of times for being an brutal imperial power unconcerned about the human rights of people in other countries, but I've never renounced my citizenship.
I also don't get why being in the Phillipines has anything to do with one's citizenship.

Thanks for bring the difference between renounce and denounce to my attention. I corrected my previous post to agree with the post to which I was replying.
As to the Phillipines, Obama never lived there. He lived in Indonesia.

MS Fowler · #17 08-01-2009, 07:31 PM

Not part of the conspiracy, but a question

AFAIK the copies of his birth certificate posted everywhere have some questions of their authenticity. Would it be too difficult to have someone certify the original? Again, as I understand the issue, it is the failure to post such a simple thing that gives credence to the conspiracies. Would not the viewing of an unaltered original by some trust-worthy person or persons put an end to all of this?

Chas H · #18 08-01-2009, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

Not part of the conspiracy, but a question

AFAIK the copies of his birth certificate posted everywhere have some questions of their authenticity. Would it be too difficult to have someone certify the original? Again, as I understand the issue, it is the failure to post such a simple thing that gives credence to the conspiracies. Would not the viewing of an unaltered original by some trust-worthy person or persons put an end to all of this?

That has been done, a number of times. The Republican bimbos that won't let go of the issue have nothing constructive to contribute to the countries problems. But that's no surprise.

mgburg · #19 08-01-2009, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

Not part of the conspiracy, but a question ... AFAIK the copies of his birth certificate posted everywhere have some questions of their authenticity. Would it be too difficult to have someone certify the original? Again, as I understand the issue, it is the failure to post such a simple thing that gives credence to the conspiracies. Would not the viewing of an unaltered original by some trust-worthy person or persons put an end to all of this?

Sorry to say...NOPE. Just like there's two sides to each story, in this case there are three sides:

The "Oer" side's.

The "Anti-Oer" side's.

Then, in the deep, dark recesses of a hermetically-sealed mayonaise jar, buried 6' 6-1/6" deep, next to the porch, outside the back door of the Funk and Wagnall Dictionary Depository, just a mere 3.8 miles S.W. of the beautiful downtown Burbank, there lies the unguarded truth...

t walgamuth · #20 08-01-2009, 09:03 PM

Clearly the folks who think he was not born in the US didn't do well in Geography in school. They don't think Hawaii is in the US.

kknudson · #21 08-01-2009, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Chas H

Could you elaborate on how his time in the Philippines, and the dates he resided there, affects his citizenship.
And when did Obama denounce his citizenship?

Ok first he was born in Hawaii, although no one has produced his Birth Certificate. Officials of Hawaii have confirmed it's existence, but refuse to provide a copy claiming some legal thing.
IF OB wanted to squelch these stories, rumors or whatever HE should be able to request a certified copy and provide it to ???
This is one reason I make reference to a cover up.

During his time in the Philippines (documented), in order for him to attend the school he did, he must be a citizen of the Philippines. Dual citizenship is not allowed.
So he may be a natural born American, but he gave up his citizenship.

Yes, it was his parents as he was very young, so I guess HE did not denounce.

My opinion and I don't claim to be convinced, is based on enough points to question his citizenship. Yet the only refuting of these points has been people saying yea he's a citizen, and courts just plain refusing to hear the case.
It would be too simple to just provide a certified Birth Certificate, and his side of the Philippine story to end this controversy. But no one has.

I read these various things before he was swarn it, so I'd have to go back and dig up the details. I have only kept cursory review since then, but again, have not heard any one from OBs side refute any of these points.

Emmerich · #22 08-01-2009, 09:13 PM

Read the full article, it presents a bigger picture (and concerns) than you typically hear.

And whoever accused this topic as being representative of Republicans needs to look at the cheesy smears and accusations leveled against Palin, and the same questions about McCains citizenship status last year. Looks like your team is guilty as charged. And McCain provided ALL the documents requested, and that shut the discussion down. What is Obama hiding?

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZmJhMzlmZWFhOTQ3YjUxMDE2YWY4ZDMzZjZlYTVmZmU=

To summarize: What Obama has made available is a Hawaiian “certification of live birth” (emphasis added), not a birth certificate (or what the state calls a “certificate of live birth”). The certification form provides a short, very general attestation of a few facts about the person’s birth: name and sex of the newborn; date and time of birth; city or town of birth, along with the name of the Hawaiian island and the county; the mother’s maiden name and race; the father’s name and race; and the date the certification was filed. This certification is not the same thing as the certificate, which is what I believe we were referring to in the editorial as “the state records that are used to generate birth certificates [sic] when they are requested.”

MS Fowler · #23 08-01-2009, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Chas H

That has been done, a number of times. The Republican bimbos that won't let go of the issue have nothing constructive to contribute to the countries problems. But that's no surprise.

I am unaware that the original has ever been viewed or certifed by some independent agaency.
All I hear is people like you saying," Its all been done, a number of times".

I really do not care--He is OUR President--whether by hook, or by crook. He will serve until a sucessor is elected. It just seems that it would be so easy to put an end to the discussion, but it goes on and on.

Chas H · #24 08-01-2009, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Emmerich

Read the full article, it presents a bigger picture (and concerns) than you typically hear.

And whoever accused this topic as being representative of Republicans needs to look at the cheesy smears and accusations leveled against Palin, and the same questions about McCains citizenship status last year. Looks like your team is guilty as charged. And McCain provided ALL the documents requested, and that shut the discussion down. What is Obama hiding?

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZmJhMzlmZWFhOTQ3YjUxMDE2YWY4ZDMzZjZlYTVmZmU=

To summarize: What Obama has made available is a Hawaiian “certification of live birth” (emphasis added), not a birth certificate (or what the state calls a “certificate of live birth”). The certification form provides a short, very general attestation of a few facts about the person’s birth: name and sex of the newborn; date and time of birth; city or town of birth, along with the name of the Hawaiian island and the county; the mother’s maiden name and race; the father’s name and race; and the date the certification was filed. This certification is not the same thing as the certificate, which is what I believe we were referring to in the editorial as “the state records that are used to generate birth certificates [sic] when they are requested.”

I never had a birth certificate either. They simply were not issued. Does that mean I'm not a native born American?
What Palin has heaped on her isn't relevent to this discussion. The fact that Republicans continually bring this birth certificate up instead of acting on congressional business is relevent. That's its still an issue to you just proves my point.

Chas H · #25 08-01-2009, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

I am unaware that the original has ever been viewed or certifed by some independent agaency.
All I hear is people like you saying," Its all been done, a number of times".

I really do not care--He is OUR President--whether by hook, or by crook. He will serve until a sucessor is elected. It just seems that it would be so easy to put an end to the discussion, but it goes on and on.

Certainly reality is comprised of much more that your awareness.
A simple search will provide all the evidence anyone with an open mind requires that the document of Obama's birth is genuine.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

Chas H · #26 08-01-2009, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by kknudson

Ok first he was born in Hawaii, although no one has produced his Birth Certificate. Officials of Hawaii have confirmed it's existence, but refuse to provide a copy claiming some legal thing.
IF OB wanted to squelch these stories, rumors or whatever HE should be able to request a certified copy and provide it to ???
This is one reason I make reference to a cover up.

During his time in the Philippines (documented), in order for him to attend the school he did, he must be a citizen of the Philippines. Dual citizenship is not allowed.
So he may be a natural born American, but he gave up his citizenship.

Yes, it was his parents as he was very young, so I guess HE did not denounce.

My opinion and I don't claim to be convinced, is based on enough points to question his citizenship. Yet the only refuting of these points has been people saying yea he's a citizen, and courts just plain refusing to hear the case.
It would be too simple to just provide a certified Birth Certificate, and his side of the Philippine story to end this controversy. But no one has.

I read these various things before he was swarn it, so I'd have to go back and dig up the details. I have only kept cursory review since then, but again, have not heard any one from OBs side refute any of these points.

There is no documentation Obama lived in the Phillipines. Mainly because he lived in Indonesia. If you can't get that simple fact straight-well.

tbomachines · #27 08-01-2009, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

I am unaware that the original has ever been viewed or certifed by some independent agaency.
All I hear is people like you saying," Its all been done, a number of times".

Well here's one done by a reputable independent source....

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

edit: oh hey, my copy-paste didn't work.

cmac2012 · #28 08-01-2009, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

Not part of the conspiracy, but a question

AFAIK the copies of his birth certificate posted everywhere have some questions of their authenticity. Would it be too difficult to have someone certify the original? Again, as I understand the issue, it is the failure to post such a simple thing that gives credence to the conspiracies. Would not the viewing of an unaltered original by some trust-worthy person or persons put an end to all of this?

I understand that announcements of bis birth appeared in 2 local papers at the time in question. I sorta doubt that those were planted years later.

Hawaiian officials have said the documents are authentic.

pj67coll · #29 08-02-2009, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by MTI

Kapiolani Hospital for Women & Children, Honolulu, Hawaii

Then that makes him a Yank. End of story.

- Peter.

Jorn · #30 08-02-2009, 01:53 AM

Birth certificate the new blow job (?!)