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Old 08-02-2009, 03:45 PM
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No can do. This birther nonsense wouldn't happen to a white president.
Not true at all, read the history. There were 3 or 4 previous presidents that had this type of controversy.

One was born in Panama, on a military base, but a lot of people did not accept this.
One was born in a state, supposedly before it was a state.

Don't remember the rest, was a quick blip thing on one of the news shows addressing this. Their conclusion was no conclusion.
As I recall they pretty much proved that one previous President wasn't quite legally allowed. It was a VERY fine line either way.

But again, let's get over it, move on and fix the real problems.

I just hope OB does better than he did as my Senator.
6 - 8 months as Senator.
6 - 8 months world traveler.
2+ years campaining to be president.

And if you detect I don't trust politicians, look where I come from.

Illinois, Chicago, Cook county where if a politicians is just corrupt he's probably as good as we get.

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Old 08-02-2009, 03:47 PM
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Does anyone really think the GOP wouldn't have investigated this issue?

If their was a shread of evidence that Obama wasn't a natural born citizen, or had irregularities in his birth documentation, I can assure you the GOP would have exposed it during the campaign. The fact that they didn't challenge his citizenship should be proof beyond any reasonable doubt for any rational person.
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Old 08-02-2009, 03:50 PM
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Not true at all, read the history. There were 3 or 4 previous presidents that had this type of controversy.

One was born in Panama, on a military base, but a lot of people did not accept this.
One was born in a state, supposedly before it was a state.

Don't remember the rest, was a quick blip thing on one of the news shows addressing this. Their conclusion was no conclusion....
If you don't know the details of those other cases, then how do you know that they were "this type of controversy"?

I am not saying that we should ignore evidence that a president is illegitimate. I am saying that this President has proven his legitimacy. One reason the dispute continues is because some people can't accept that "type" of person in the White House. Racism is not the only thing motivating the birther nonsense, but it is part of the picture.
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Old 08-02-2009, 05:40 PM
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Can't speak for anyone but me...race has absolutely nothing to do with it.
I am a guy who "played by the rules"..i.e. worked my entire life, paid my SS and taxes, even though I realized 30 odd years ago that SS was a Ponzi scheme, and when the baby boomers all hit retirement< I would likely never see my promised benefits.
I am simply tired of seeing politicians slide by w/o concern for the rules that the rest of us must live by.
They deny us the right to carry fire arms---yest they are protected by men with guns.
I've never been arrested for DUI/DWI or anything, but 0.08 is a low limit--but politicians get to be repeat offenders--and they often have government provided chauffers and cars--yet they still drink and drive.
Health care options available to me vs health care options available to them
They have all kinds of percs of office which we pay for, and can never even see, let alone use.
There are plenty of reasons to distruct all politicians--who needs race?
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Old 08-02-2009, 05:44 PM
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Needless to say the above in quotes is untrue and idiotic but it shows the pathetic extent to which Obama haters are willing to go to in an effort to overturn the 2008 election.
So you're saying that he was not in fact born an American and that this legitimate fact-based argument is untrue and idiotic (reference to what you quoted)? I hope you just read that wrong...
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Old 08-02-2009, 06:32 PM
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...who needs race?
Plenty of people.
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I think it's kinda like the Gate/Crowely thing. It could have been avoided. Why has O not shown what people are requesting? It's not complicated, and it would shut people up. Obviously he has something to hide- it may not be that the issue we are talking about. What is the down side to actually taking out the real birth certificate and saying her it is now shut up? How about his school stuff? Just get it out and say here now shut up. This is going on because 1) he has something to hide, or 2)He's an ******* who wants to piss people off, or 3) People are correct in some way. His actions are fishy in the least, as in slimy.
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Old 08-02-2009, 07:31 PM
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OK. Lets see what we have here. There is some doubt that Obama is born on US Soil which makes him ineligible to run for Prez. IIRC, there was a legal issue raised BEFORE he became Prez. Also, IIRC, that hurdle was cleared. SO, unless someone can prove otherwise, that judgment should stand, right? So where is the issue? I understand why there is some quarrel still. After all, even when the Supreme Court cleared Bush in 00, there were some on the other side that were upset and claimed that the election was stolen. This leads me to believe that people on BOTH sides only respect the court decisions when it suits them. That said, IF Obama runs in 12 for re-election, wouldn't that be a good time to bring it up again?
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I think it's kinda like the Gate/Crowely thing. It could have been avoided. Why has O not shown what people are requesting? It's not complicated, and it would shut people up. Obviously he has something to hide- it may not be that the issue we are talking about. What is the down side to actually taking out the real birth certificate and saying her it is now shut up? How about his school stuff? Just get it out and say here now shut up. This is going on because 1) he has something to hide, or 2)He's an ******* who wants to piss people off, or 3) People are correct in some way. His actions are fishy in the least, as in slimy.
Obama's birth certificate has been shown to a number of people, a fact that has been posted numerous times in this thread. No one is going to show this document to you; but those who have examined it have declared it to be authentic.
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Obama's birth certificate has been shown to a number of people, a fact that has been posted numerous times in this thread. No one is going to show this document to you; but those who have examined it have declared it to be authentic.
How is that any different from people still saying to this day that the SC stole the election? They were not happy at the results so they keep harping on that Bush was not the legitimate Prez. People on the other side of the issue are still not happy that Obama got to be the next Prez and they won't be happy either way.
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How is that any different from people still saying to this day that the SC stole the election? They were not happy at the results so they keep harping on that Bush was not the legitimate Prez. People on the other side of the issue are still not happy that Obama got to be the next Prez and they won't be happy either way.
It completely different. In fact why not start a new thread, since you're way off topic.
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Obama's birth certificate has been shown to a number of people, a fact that has been posted numerous times in this thread. No one is going to show this document to you; but those who have examined it have declared it to be authentic.
So why did a lawsuit have to take place to "see" it? They've shown copies... but not the original. Why?
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So why did a lawsuit have to take place to "see" it? They've shown copies... but not the original. Why?
No one has seen the document due to a law suit. Every suit filed has been thrown out. You would do yourself and the rest of us a huge favor by acquainting yourself with the facts.
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No one has seen the document due to a law suit. Every suit filed has been thrown out. You would do yourself and the rest of us a huge favor by acquainting yourself with the facts.
Yeah they've been thrown out (why the hell in the first place did the public have to use a lawsuit????)- and who in the general public has seen the actual document? Again why does he not pull it out and say here! now shut up. Would you care to address my other points? You would do all of us a favor by not being a blind follower of anything.
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http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

I think maybe I should do this every 24 hours or something...either people are missing it or conveniently ignoring it. The Annenberg public policy office has seen the official original certified copy and confirmed it is indeed authentic as an independent nonpartisan research group.

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