The problem is that there are no, or very few, reputable and independent source(s)"
Snopes, Annenberg etc all have an agenda. Since the ascendancy of "Advocacy Journalism", there is not a free and independent, investigative press any more. Everyone presents data that has been spun to convince people of the viewpoint of the writer.

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I disagree. The problem is not that there are no, or very few, reputable and independent sources. The vital records people have certified his birth in the same way that they verify anyone's birth. The people responsible for keeping these records have said that they saw the original birth certificate and that it says that Obama was born in Hawaii.

What would you have them do? Get the original out and pass it around the country so that everyone can touch it and see it up close?

No, the problem is not a lack of reputable and independent sources. The problem is that people continue to play along with this racist nonsense.

As I said I read this a long time ago, so let's not nit pick. Basically It raises more questions than answers.
All OB has to do is simply provide a certified to Birth Certificate to a neutral party. The NY Times, Chicago Tribune ???

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I also think we should just say F'it and move on.


OH and to the Racist comment, let's get over the racist thing.

I am upset we elected an African American to the Presidency, BUT if he was American of African descent I have no issue's with his race. AMERICA FIRST.

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I was always taught to respect my elders.
I don't have to respect too many people anymore.

Factcheck is a nonpartisan source, the Annenberg foundation is a nonprofit fund. It is pretty dependable and pretty close to as independent as you're going to get. It isn't a news source.

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That you thought Obama lived in the Phillipines is evidence your understanding of the issue is far from complete. Why would a newspaper and it's attending agenda be considered neutral?
Obama's legal documentaion of his birth in Hawaii has been examined by enough parties to guarantee its authenticity.

Aside from not being a "natural born citizen" . . . you do know that he's an Arab Muslim and pals around with terrorists, right?

Neither is Alaska in the U.S.
So the Republican VP candidate was ineligible too.

I believe his original birth certificate was seen by the proper Hawaiian officials (one was a Republican IIRC) so that's not an issue for me.
But didn't he travel to Pakistan as a student when it was on the no-travel list? He couldn't have used an U.S. passport I think. And before the election he would not release his school records from the NY college he went to IIRC. He would most likely have to state his citizenship there.
If it turns out he doesn't meet the Constitutional requirements would any Supreme court justices he appoints now be invalid? Would Biden be able succeed a non-President? I do think he should put these things to bed so there is no doubt and he can work on the problems we face without unnecessary distractions from people who want to support him.

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Really? How does one ever satisfy "theorist?" There's still a lively debate about the grassy knoll, the moon landing, Area 51, Elvis . . . "creationisim" . . .

No can do. This birther nonsense wouldn't happen to a white president. This "controversy" is built in part on racism.Tell that to the birthers. They are undermining Obama's authority. There was a guy in the news a few weeks ago refusing to deploy to Afghanistan because he said that the Obama was not born in America and is therefore not the real Commander in Chief. His lawyer bragged that they had at least a few hundred other members of the military who intended to take the same position. If that happens, I hope every last one of them gets a dishonorable discharge. They are not putting America first.

I don't expect him to satisfy "theorist". There is no point for him not opening his school records.

Too many people have fought and died for our Constitution to not insure it is followed, especially when it imposes no hardship on Obama to do so.

And I like him for not appointing a far left nominee to the Supreme court when he probably could have.

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"Evolution is God's way of giving upgrades" Francis Collins

You're right...because, by the time a white guy would have got sworn in, he would have been vetted out...McCain was accused and vindicated by a Democratically-controlled Congress...but that same Congress didn't have the 'nads to do the same to the other candidate. Now we want to do it?

Racism is "red herring" in all of this. Seems we had a few under B-43 that wanted to do the same...even under C-0.5 and B-41 too, but for slightly different reasons...some in uniform don't believe that the UN has any authority to command them...and I, personally, believe that to be true. But that's a different story altogether...I personally know of 3 persons that resigned their commissions under C's watch...just because of his positions...dog only knows how many REALLY GOOD OFFICERS AND MEN QUIT because of their SWORN OATHS and the love they felt for their country...

To some people, words mean something...

To a politician...you're screwed...and nothing has to be said...their actions speak loud enough.

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Certainly you of all people must mean that an outcome such as you desire could happen only after their due process rights are respected and they have their courts martials wherein there would be a full examination of all the facts! Right counselor?

Under this "Commander and Chief" the above mentioned officer's orders to deploy have been revoked.

Definitely. And I hope the end result of that process is a bunch of dishonorable discharges. I have no idea what process the law requires or what penalty is proper under the law. It is just my personal hope that it is dishonorable discharge in these cases.So I hear. I hope that's not the end of it. He needs to face the music.

That this nonsense is even being discussed is indicative of the right’s belief that the president is not a ‘loyal American,’ he may technically be a citizen but as an advocate of ‘internationalism’ and ‘world government’ is not fit to be president.

Needless to say the above in quotes is untrue and idiotic but it shows the pathetic extent to which Obama haters are willing to go to in an effort to overturn the 2008 election.