She landed and is probably safe. Plane is insured and probably is easier to fix than her body. 2 things come to mind. "Take off is optional. Landing is MANDATORY" and "Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing".

BTW. Right main what? I thought the plane has 2 engines? Is there a main engine and not so main on the right side?

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Right main landing gear.

Well boys... (he says holding back a chuckle.)

It would appear that upon landing (or perhaps just prior to lift off from MSY, but I’d bet it was here), she tagged an opossum with the nose. A chunk of the unfortunate creature went slamming into the right main brake assembly (and stuck). Upon activation of the brakes, said chunk appears to have become cooked.

Correction: Make that over cooked. Waaay over cooked.

All looks to have made it through without any collateral damage.
We’ll go drive the runway in the morning.

As the late Mr. Rogers would have put it: Can you say “Pressure Washer” boys and girls?

Shelby’s comments: EEEW !! NASTY !! Is that fur !?!? EEEW !!, and so on.

I love this thing they call aviation. Never a dull moment.

Off to help with the push-back and clean up. Who the heck let the kids go to a sleep-over?! Isn't clean-up their job ?

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Maybe it won't be so nasty if she added seasoning first? A little A-1 maybe?

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I saw one of the pilots on the tube tonight. He was emphatically denying that there was an argument going on, just a discussion.

Sort of a weak and waggle-headed looking guy.

Aw, here's the exact footage I saw:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUDHVtEJAAs

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uh, so obviously the pilots flew poorly because they are unionized? thanks for clearing that one up for us.

you know, applying your logic, one could say that corporations and banks should also be outlawed. follow this path:

let's see, some unions are corrupt,(or is that all of them? according to you?), so get rid of them.

obviously, banks and corporations in general are corrupt - see enron, anyone on wall street in the last ten (?, probably more) years, what with insider trading, collateraliized debt obligations, madoffs and the like, milken and friends, halliburton with its overcharging etc. so logic suggests that... we ban them. sounds good to me.

i am sure you will agree.

p.s. continuous whining is not constructive, nor are broken records and one-trick ponies. just a general thought for the day. we report, you decide.

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My dad spent his career in the Air Force, NASA, FAA and International Civil Aviation Organization. Now he has Alzheimer's and doesn't respond much to the world around him.

I thank these guys for bringing my dad out of his shell. He had a big laugh about it. I had the TV on in the familly room while he was eating breakfast. Out of nowhere he blurts out, "they're gonna be in big trouble!" Then he chuckled. He's say's he's glad everyone is ok.

Thanks guys, it was all worth it to see my dad let out a big belly laugh.

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I said they would probably keep their jobs because the union would fight for them to keep their jobs based on what I have seen of unions. I see no reason to keep them when there are way more applicants than there are jobs out there besides not wanting to tangle with the union. That is, unless you are telling me there is a shortage of airline pilots?

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Yup, that Cajun cooking has caused the very same thing to happen to me!

Possum, eh? Reminds me of the ol' Cajun saying, "As long as there is a ditch by a road in Louisiana, ain't nobody goin' hungry" (Jeff Foxworthy commenting on his wife's family)

That’s awesome. Thanks for posting this story.

The silver lining post of the entire thread.

BTW - Give your dad our thanks for his dedication and service to aviation.


- The TOS Crew

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I do not know the nuts and bolts of the flying aspect of this whole thing (sounds like they screwed the pooch any way you slice it) but as far as the union is concerned, you're damn right they will fight for the pilots jobs back. They is their freaking job. As far as I know, they are contractually obligated to fight for your job. Whether the pilots are right or wrong make not difference. The union is contractually obligated to fight for you unless you are incarcerated or dead. The union does not have a choice in the matter. Whether the union wants you back or not does not matter. You pays dues, you get representation. Whether they have a leg to stand on is for the arbitrator and lawyers to figure out.

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When the question comes up as to why they weren't paying attention to ANYTHING IN THE COCKPIT, they could "re-spin" the story to say they were too busy TEXTING each other about FAA Rules/Regs/Procedures...and later, which wine goes best with Limburger cheese...'cause that cockpit probably turned into a similiar-smelling pit when they "eventually" realized they were over the land of cheeseheads, cow farts and Dairy-air...Wisconsin.

BTW, how much does a gallon of jet fuel go for these days?

I'm curious how many gallons of fuel were "used" during this little maneuver over the fall-scaped fields of Wisconsin...

Also, there's two stories, now, about National Guard Jets being scrambled...one story has it that 4 were called up, but none got off the ground before the flight landed and on here, it "sounds" as if a NGJ, or two, made contact...what's the dealeo? NGJs on the wings or not?

Those NG Pilots are fairly well trained that they should have been able to see inside the cockpit (assuming that the lighting from the instrument panels were bright enough...) to see if one, or both, personnel were asleep or whatever...

As the story goes from the passengers' standpoints, none of them knew ANYTHING was wrong until they landed...so that seems to rule out the story of NGJs being in close proximity of the plane itself...so the TEXTING WHILE COCKPITTING might be the more plausible excuse (although lame, like anything else just short of saying "We were counting black sheep.")...

It sucks to be them.

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yes, and when slavery was legal, you had no unions either. things were really good then; perhaps we should return to those golden days.

oh, i forgot, this was a thread about two moronic, irresponsible airline pilots. hmmm. who go us off the track? survey says...?

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Not quite all true: the articles I've seen say no jets were scrambled and the passengers weren't aware.

There are mistakes and crimes, and incompetence and lies. On the surface this appears to be a mistake (probably falling asleep) that they elevated into a crime (probably by lying about it).

Here's my Air Force retired, no sympathy spin on their claims: "We did NOT fall asleep. We're so bad at our jobs, that we forgot the fundamentals of flying and engaged in a gross error and went "gear up, flaps up, feet up" and let the jet do the flying. We failed to check out with Denver Center (since that's the frequency we answered over Minneapolis) and, naturally, failed to check in. We forgot about checking our ETA, the weather prior to the approach, the fuel status, and any number of basic items. Our total, absolute focus was on non-flying topics. We did not compartmentalize on-the-ground concerns and carried them into the cockpit. We behaved in an incompetent and unprofessional fashion; but we did NOT fall asleep." And this is their own defense!

I am reassured, however, that the first officer said "It was not a serious event, from a safety issue. I can't go into it, but it was innocuous."

Maybe he doesn't know what innocuous means?

Also, when there was no law against it, I could buy myself a 6 yo girl for a bride and marry her. How far do you want to stretch what I said?

It also got into whether they would keep their jobs. My bet is that the union would somehow fight for their jobs.

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