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aklim · #16 10-23-2009, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

Oh man, doesn't look good if that's the case. Do they record every minute of speech in the cockpit? If so, this story about arguing about airline policy is going to fall flat if not true.

New recorders retain as much as two hours of cockpit conversation and other noise, but the older model aboard Northwest's Flight 188 includes just the last 30 minutes — only the very end of Wednesday night's flight after the pilots realized their error over Wisconsin and were heading back to Minneapolis.

Bull FAWKING ****. They best hope that the union will jump in to save their sorry butts.

150 miles past their Minneapolis destination and military jets scrambled to chase them.

After that? I don't know about you but I wouldn't hire them for anything in the airplane except vacuum detail.

aklim · #17 10-23-2009, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

No doubt..........but, they probably won't be fired because of it.

They are unionized. Doubtful they could get fired even if they killed a couple of passengers. They should be. I sure as hell won't want to fly on a flight if I know they are behind the wheel.

Brian Carlton · #18 10-23-2009, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

They are unionized. Doubtful they could get fired even if they killed a couple of passengers. They should be. I sure as hell won't want to fly on a flight if I know they are behind the wheel.

You'd be mistaken. They've been fired before for similar activities. The NWA team that was drinking the night before the flight was fired.

IIRC, the SWA pilot that overran the runway at Burbank was fired.

The company just fires them............the union is left to attempt to reinstate them............it usually doesn't go well. In reality, this union won't attempt to coverup behavior that they agree is not professional.

Brian Carlton · #19 10-23-2009, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MTI

Actually, the worst punishment would be reassignment to some crappy, out of the way short haul routes. Can you say "landing cycles?"

Hilo to Maui............

aklim · #20 10-23-2009, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

You'd be mistaken. They've been fired before for similar activities. The NWA team that was drinking the night before the flight was fired.

In reality, this union won't attempt to coverup behavior that they agree is not professional.

But I thought the alcohol tests came back negative? In which case, it won't parallel the other case you mentioned.

Based on what I have seen some unions do, I doubt they won't try. I know a co-worker of the wife was fired for some missing narcotics. He confessed to forging a signature of another RN. Union fought for reinstatement and got it. Adopted father who was, is and probably will be a union man is also disgusted at some of the things the union fights for.

MTI · #21 10-23-2009, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

Hilo to Maui............

Hilo to Kona

Brian Carlton · #22 10-23-2009, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Based on what I have seen some unions do, I doubt they won't try. I know a co-worker of the wife was fired for some missing narcotics. He confessed to forging a signature of another RN. Union fought for reinstatement and got it. Adopted father who was, is and probably will be a union man is also disgusted at some of the things the union fights for.

ALPA is not the traditional union that you're typically quoting ad-nauseum.

If there is a lack of professionalism that jeopardizes the safety of the flight, and there isn't a solid defense, the union won't typically fight to keep those member's jobs.

aklim · #23 10-23-2009, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

ALPA is not the traditional union that you're typically quoting ad-nauseum.

If there is a lack of professionalism that jeopardizes the safety of the flight, and there isn't a solid defense, the union won't typically fight to keep those member's jobs.

Well, obviously we haven't seen every union in existence. My opinion of what will happen is based on the extrapolation of what I have seen unions do. I still stand by my belief that they will be reinstated.

Brian Carlton · #24 10-23-2009, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Well, obviously we haven't seen every union in existence. My opinion of what will happen is based on the extrapolation of what I have seen unions do. I still stand by my belief that they will be reinstated.

Without a cockpit voice recorder, I'm in agreement...........not enough evidence to "convict".

However, it won't necessarily be the union forcing the issue. The company will probably defer.

TylerH860 · #25 10-23-2009, 10:08 PM

Shows how the bottom of the barrel work for these little connector flights...

A little disheartening to know they're getting paid so poorly.

Largest connection carrier, "Express" or regional affiliate airlines starting gross monthly pay:

~ American Eagle $1,725 ~ Comair - $1,72 ~ Chautauqua - $1,650 ~ Mesa - $1,596 ~ Mesaba - $1,800 ~ Pinnacle $1,575 ~ Skywest $1,425 ~ Trans States $1,628

Brian Carlton · #26 10-23-2009, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TylerH860

Shows how the bottom of the barrel work for these little connector flights...

...........ahh..........it was a Northwest A-320.

WVOtoGO · #27 10-23-2009, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

Doesn't add up.

If you're in an "argument", you still hear the radio................

My bet: They both fell asleep..........

Not to mention see the GPS map move right onto your pre-programmed destination and beyond... The flight clock... The FMS... (the list goes on)

I’m thinking they snoozed as well.

All I know for sure is that when I heard this story on the morning news.
I almost ruptured something, I laughed so hard.

Brian Carlton · #28 10-23-2009, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by WVOtoGO

Not to mention see the GPS map move right onto your pre-programmed destination and beyond... The flight clock... The FMS... (the list goes on)

I’m thinking they snoozed as well.

All I know for sure is that when I heard this story on the morning news.
I almost ruptured something, I laughed so hard.

Think they keep their jobs...........??

aklim · #29 10-23-2009, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

Think they keep their jobs...........??

Seeing as how many people are out of work today, employers should be spoiled for choice. Should they? No. 150 miles off is a lot of miles off. I don't care of they were sleeping, jerking each other off or talking about airline policy. Bottom line is they were too far off for an "oops". Either they were incapable or incompetent. With a union in place, I suspect they will have their wrists slapped and then keep their jobs.

Brian Carlton · #30 10-23-2009, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Seeing as how many people are out of work today, employers should be spoiled for choice. Should they? No. 150 miles off is a lot of miles off. I don't care of they were sleeping, jerking each other off or talking about airline policy. Bottom line is they were too far off for an "oops". Either they were incapable or incompetent. With a union in place, I suspect they will have their wrists slapped and then keep their jobs.

The question wasn't directed to you. You have already weighed in on the matter...........and repetition won't make your case any stronger.