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Sev · #1 10-27-2009, 05:19 PM

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Along with John Doe's attention lavished on me previously . . . once again I don't know whether I should be honored or be filing for a temporary restraining order . . .

the internet's a free place, but you're free to lobby obama for more controls, or waste your time in other endeavors

MTI · #2 10-25-2009, 12:30 AM

Actually, there are 3 new "Get a Mac" commercials regarding the Win 7 launch.

okyoureabeast · #3 10-25-2009, 11:56 AM

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Actually, there are 3 new "Get a Mac" commercials regarding the Win 7 launch.

And their as obnoxious as hipsters in a coffee shop.

I love my Mac like any other guy, but the commercials tout a Mac as a cool fashion accessory, not the powerful Unix backed 64 bit operating system that it was designed as.

I am however in that nerdy minority.

MTI · #4 10-25-2009, 02:25 PM

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And their as obnoxious as hipsters in a coffee shop.

I love my Mac like any other guy, but the commercials tout a Mac as a cool fashion accessory, not the powerful Unix backed 64 bit operating system that it was designed as.

I am however in that nerdy minority.

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In all the "Get a Mac" TV commercials over the past few years . . . the only time you see the computer is in the closing shot (exclusively an iMac, not a Mini?), so how is it being marketed as a "fashion accessory?" There's virtually no ads for the Mac Pro.

okyoureabeast · #5 10-25-2009, 06:39 PM

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In all the "Get a Mac" TV commercials over the past few years . . . the only time you see the computer is in the closing shot (exclusively an iMac, not a Mini?), so how is it being marketed as a "fashion accessory?" There's virtually no ads for the Mac Pro.

Nearly everyone of their ads have the overtones of a fashion accessory. Just because it isn't being obviously implied as a fashion accessory (buy a mac and get the girl) doesn't mean it's not.

Look at the way PC is dressed and then Mac. PC is seen as stuffy, old, and slow whereas Mac is dressed as trendy, hipster, and all around cool. It's the most obvious part of the advertisements.

The language and actors who portray them even continue to push that image.

Look at this picture of Justin Long

What do you see in this picture of him outside of his "Mac" appearance? You see the type of guy you hang out with on a modern college campus. He's young, hip, in the know, and all around cool.

Now look at John Hodgman

John looks like the type of guy I would be giving my Church offerings to. He's professional, nerdy, and oddly resembles a mid 90s Bill Gates.

The whole point of the get a mac commercial is to point out the obvious points that Mac's are easy to use and (relatively) problem free. The hidden message is that they are cool and put you in the "in" crowd.

MTI · #6 10-25-2009, 09:23 PM

Uh, you didn't get the "Gates - Jobs" parody? And the "gets the girl" part is factual . . . the PC's are all too busy gaming on their rigs and fiddling with their system settings.

Palangi · #7 10-25-2009, 09:34 PM

Student version download is fubar, but a workaround exists.

http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/10/24/windows-7-student-upgrade-hell/

pawoSD · #8 10-25-2009, 10:12 PM

MAC's are indeed a fashion accessory for a huge number of people. People that want a real UNIX system run Linux, any variety of versions. I personally use Ubuntu.

Windows 7 is very good, and has features that the MAC OS lacks currently.

#9 10-25-2009, 10:25 PM

I'll keep my macs, I really don't like the windows user interface and I don't have time to play around with linux. I do hope windows 7 does well, primarily to give apple a little nudge. Competition is good.

pawoSD · #10 10-25-2009, 11:05 PM

My main qualm is with the MAC prices....the cheapest of the cheap they offer is the "mac mini" and the baseline one is $599. My much much more powerful system that I built cost quite a bit less, even including my nice 20" LCD. Their bottom end stuff is pricey, but their higher end stuff is just insane. Who pays that much for a computer? If one did a self-build for the $$ that a higher end MAC costs....you could build an absolutely incredibly powerful system + a HUUUGE LCD....and still be within budget. I consider it cheating that their OS is tailored to their own specific line of about 4 variations of computer. When the range of hardware you offer encompasses about 10 options that your own company designed, it better darn well work perfectly. Think of the logistics of what MSoft has to accomplish with drivers and hardware support....when you consider all of that, its astonishing how well Win7 works. (and all of the free Linux distro's as well)

Studies have shown that 33% of MAC households make over 100k a year....vs. only 21% of PC homes.

Don't even get me started on the new MAC commercials. They are getting very old.....

#11 10-26-2009, 07:12 PM

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My main qualm is with the MAC prices....the cheapest of the cheap they offer is the "mac mini" and the baseline one is $599. My much much more powerful system that I built cost quite a bit less, even including my nice 20" LCD. Their bottom end stuff is pricey, but their higher end stuff is just insane. Who pays that much for a computer? If one did a self-build for the $$ that a higher end MAC costs....you could build an absolutely incredibly powerful system + a HUUUGE LCD....and still be within budget. I consider it cheating that their OS is tailored to their own specific line of about 4 variations of computer. When the range of hardware you offer encompasses about 10 options that your own company designed, it better darn well work perfectly. Think of the logistics of what MSoft has to accomplish with drivers and hardware support....when you consider all of that, its astonishing how well Win7 works. (and all of the free Linux distro's as well)

Studies have shown that 33% of MAC households make over 100k a year....vs. only 21% of PC homes.

Don't even get me started on the new MAC commercials. They are getting very old.....

Well, I pay that much for my computers (I'm running three or four of them at the moment). I will gladly pay a couple/few $1000 for a computer that doesn't cause me any hassles. I guess I could build my own computers, I could also grow my own vegetables and make my own shoes, but I have better things to do with my time.

The fact that the mac OS is designed to run on very specific hardware is exactly why it works (nearly) perfectly. Maybe that is cheating, so be it. If you want a more open (less expensive) system you have to live with the glitches, that's the trade-off.

I don't understand why people get upset by the price of products they don't own, if you think they are too expensive you don't have to buy one. I'm not complaining because I think the new G-class is too expensive, I'm just not going to buy one. Should I be mad at ferrari because most of their customers earn over $1M per year and I could buy a 'vette with similar performance for a lot less money?

I do hope that windows 7 works well, lots of folks will be happier without vista.

Brian Carlton · #12 10-26-2009, 07:27 PM

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I don't understand why people get upset by the price of products they don't own...........

They get upset because they would prefer to own the product............if the price was not quite so high.

Whether they admit to the preference is an entirely different discussion.

pawoSD · #13 10-26-2009, 09:23 PM

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They get upset because they would prefer to own the product............if the price was not quite so high.

Whether they admit to the preference is an entirely different discussion.

If someone gave me a MAC I would put it on ebay immediately.

#14 10-26-2009, 09:29 PM

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If someone gave me a MAC I would put it on ebay immediately.

Give me a chance to buy it first.

pawoSD · #15 10-26-2009, 09:29 PM

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Well, I pay that much for my computers (I'm running three or four of them at the moment). I will gladly pay a couple/few $1000 for a computer that doesn't cause me any hassles. I guess I could build my own computers, I could also grow my own vegetables and make my own shoes, but I have better things to do with my time.

The fact that the mac OS is designed to run on very specific hardware is exactly why it works (nearly) perfectly. Maybe that is cheating, so be it. If you want a more open (less expensive) system you have to live with the glitches, that's the trade-off.

I don't understand why people get upset by the price of products they don't own, if you think they are too expensive you don't have to buy one. I'm not complaining because I think the new G-class is too expensive, I'm just not going to buy one. Should I be mad at ferrari because most of their customers earn over $1M per year and I could buy a 'vette with similar performance for a lot less money?

I do hope that windows 7 works well, lots of folks will be happier without vista.

Except in most cases that is not true. My PC cost me less than $300, and took about 45 minutes for me to build + another 30 to install the OS. VS a comparative mac, it is hands down faster and cheaper....and I've had 0 issues at all. People who get "glitches" are the ones with really really cheapo hardware, if you buy decent stuff problems are very rare. For a person that likes to do a wide variety of potentially advanced computing tasks, the MAC is much more frustrating and less adaptable.

I complain about MAC's prices because they make a killing on overcharging their customers for the same thing everyone else has, except it has a shiny cover on it and Steve Jobs saying its "fantastic", and "awesome".