Yes.Definitely not, although it's not clear to me that Matthews is a leftist. From what little I know about him, he seems to be more of an opportunist.Of all people to misquote, why would anyone misquote that knucklehead? His actual quotes are more than sufficient to show what a piece of crap he is.

I usually like CM and watch when I get the chance, I do think he is a left leaner anyway. I understand he used to own a 240 too.
That apology was done well, has some of the other pundits apologized for anything they've said? Well, SH did to Jon Stewart at least, only when caught tho.

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Glad to hear that.
Lets move on.

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An angry man.

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I didn't say no vets were spit on. The urban myth is the notion that support of that sort of thing was widespread. Jzjzjzjz said that such things were condoned by the demon "media."

There is a possible lesson in the rude treatment endured by some returning vets from Vietnam. Not every mission our president sends soldiers to perform will be unfailingly moral and glorious just because the red, white, and blue is waved at regular intervals. Wholesale deployment of deadly force, widespread killing, the poisoning of land, etc. are modes of behavior fraught with peril.

There are no guarantees in life. One must be one's own navigator.

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As I remember it, the press seemed to enjoy reporting on the spitting incidents. As a result of the coverage, the incidents increased in severity and number.

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contrary to what he chose to believe that is actually correct it became the thing to do as a protester to show soladarity with each other

its always the same try an explain away leftest bad behavior with academia language - jz

The right got away with bombing clinics in the 80's, I would call that a terrorists act
yet Reagan did nothing. Gun nuts on the right dream of overthrowing the gov if the election doesn't go their way.

Both bad behavior that is justified in some minds.

Several people have searched media archives and have failed to find a single incident of spitting on vets being reported in the press. I never saw a story about it. Just word of mouth, continuing rumors, etc.

There are obnoxious people in the world, newsflash. I never so much as insulted a vet in or out of uniform but I also believed the war was insanely stupid as did my father who had been a sergeant Major in the Pacific theater in WW2. He said he would help me stay out of it if that was my choice and it was. Didn't need his help as it turned out but his support was certainly welcome. My draft # was 12 in 1972 and I ended up working as a conscientious objector at a Salvation Army youth club.

My angry man pal Chris Bellicose seems to think it funny that the experience would have had an effect on my life. This should be a surprise? Military service is a major coming of age ritual in the US, something I looked forward to and then when it came my time, the war from hell beckoned. Of course it was a signature event in my life.

Swift boaters and our Jzjzjzjzjz buddy clearly had a large part of their world view shaped by Vietnam but apparently that is good and proper. Those of us who declined to participate in pointless mass murder are, of course, merely losers.

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OK broman, in what way do you explain rightie bad behavior, such as Westmoreland's free fire zones or the spreading of the most toxic plant killer known on some 10 to 20% of the nation?

Or how about carpet bombing of Hanoi?

People in Vietnam saw their villages get burned, their family members engulfed by napalm, and their kids born deformed from Agent Orange and you're teary eyed until death because a few vets got some mouth juice sprayed on them (allegedly - I've not seen video of it).

Cry me a river.

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OK broman, in what way do you explain rightie bad behavior

many things were done by nixon < and henry kissinger < him especially

i came to believe with NO PROOF that when he HK went to the NVN ( Paris Piece talks ) and layed out the offering of money for POWs, he was able to get the officers reliesed and than they the Nixon WH was to pay war reperations REMEMBER THAT -- well what happened we dident pay them, and to me and many vets that was a death nail to all the regular foot soldiers that were being held BTW no regular GIs were ever reliesed

People in Vietnam saw their villages get burned, their family members engulfed by napalm, and their kids born deformed from Agent Orange and you're teary eyed until death because a few vets got some mouth juice sprayed on them (allegedly - I've not seen video of it).

i was not going to do this but i must

i spent 56 weeks on Kemo fighting my end of Agent orange the VA saw fit to send me 13 checks for 318 bucks each for my troubles

( allegedly ) the Hepatitis Type B and C i also had, was an asian type and intafurian injections for 48 weeks was not fun BTW

i contracted it doing huey medavac runs into the A Shau Valley during Hill 937 ( hamburger hill to the movie goers )

as far as NAPALM ONTO THE KIDS IN TOWN the VA gives me Meds for those day like this one when again our young boys trying to do the thing 40 years ago could have made a mistake Maybe,

you cant even amagin what it feels like to have that hanging over you as a soldier

but i never was involved with any operation of that kind of Fup and never seen any kids on fire was in country for 2 tours

but i do have a video its Me in the huey gun ship in 1969 on a mission its the only real one i know of -

i have been clear of all of what i was treated for at the VA so far -- jz

It's clear that you've endured a great deal as a result of your service. I'm sure you've got many complaints about the war that are far more valid than mine.

I've never gone out of my way to give any vet crap about anything. But after 30 - 40 years of being given crap of my own, directly or indirectly, about being some kind of draft dodging coward, I'm disinclined to not speak frankly about my end of the experience.

The war struck me as bizarre and pointless. No way was I going to take the chance of being stuck under some nimrod dweeb like William Calley ordering me to slaughter peasants. Or Westmoreland. The guy turned my stomach.

It's a wide chasm in American between the pro and anti Vietnam war crowd. It's very much an issue still in play.

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Later on after they had time to analyze the content of all those calls, it turns out they weren't calling up to ask about joining the military - they were calling to ask how to legally avoid the draft they were sure was soon to follow. The numbers of those volunteering for military service barely changed.

At that, for a while at least, Shrub did man up the draft boards and have them ready to go in case recruitment totally dried up.

And those already in the military got nailed with a "stop loss" order - what they referred to as a "back door draft" - they weren't allowed to get out when their enlistments were up and basically told they would be kept on active duty until further notice.

Absolutly not true. There was a surge in volunteers to all branches after 9-11. I was on active duty at that time and knew several recruiters. There was never a stop gap issued unless it was for a critical job.(Navy)
Also at that time people were being asked to take early retirement cash incentives to get out etc....
Falls back to if you dont know what you are talking about....

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I know I saw video interviews with people who claimed they were being stop-lossed. It wasn't an isolated story.

But who knows, I wasn't there, didn't see the documents.

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