Did you guys ever see the Dirty Jobs episode where he featured the wood salvage company here in Ontario, Canada?

Basically these guys dive for sunken logs. Maple, pine, etc. all logged over a hundred years ago that has sank to the bottoms of lakes and rivers during the transportation process when they were first logged. They haven't rotted due to the extremely cold and mostly anaerobic environment. Hence, they use a barge and crane and divers to salvage them. A sugar maple log is 'pure gold' as they describe it. It's wood you simply can't find anymore. The pine has intensely close grain. They mostly use the maple for veneers for high end furniture and the like. Lots of figuring - flame, bird's eye, etc.

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth
I will!

I may be an Architect but I think I have the soul of a Carpenter. I LOVE wood!

Did you guys ever see the Dirty Jobs episode where he featured the wood salvage company here in Ontario, Canada?

Basically these guys dive for sunken logs. Maple, pine, etc. all logged over a hundred years ago that has sank to the bottoms of lakes and rivers during the transportation process when they were first logged. They haven't rotted due to the extremely cold and mostly anaerobic environment. Hence, they use a barge and crane and divers to salvage them. A sugar maple log is 'pure gold' as they describe it. It's wood you simply can't find anymore. The pine has intensely close grain. They mostly use the maple for veneers for high end furniture and the like. Lots of figuring - flame, bird's eye, etc.
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I'm not going to comment on TW's last sentance. They do some reclaimation in the south to. What they want down there is the long needle or southern pine. I think it might be also called yellow pine. It is what a lot of the tall ships were made from. Suposively, it doesn't rot. I think there are a few patches of it in the south and elsewhere. I don't think you can legally harvest any today. There might be some in Indiana in the Yellowood State park, by Nashville, IN.
Tom

Recycled wood is a great thing. I have a bunch of redwood that looks rotten in places but mills down to slightly smaller excellent redwood. I tell my clients that it's recycled which it is.

Haiti suffers greatly from excessive clear-cutting. The soil degrades. Oh boy. Somebody made a bunch of money in the short run. The profit motive run amok.

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"One tree, the Boogerman Pine, has both its current and 1995 heights listed. Bob Leverett and Will Blozan took the 1995 measurements. The 1995 height of 207 feet is the highest accurate measurement obtained for any tree in the eastern United States within modern times. This noble pine is proof that modern eastern trees can, at least on rare occasion, reach 200 feet in height, if left sufficiently long to grow. Reports of 200-foot tall pines in Michigan and a 200-foot tall swamp chestnut oak in Alabama are not reliable. The Boogerman Pine stands alone as the only legitimate 200-foot tree in the East and the white pine stands as the only eastern species living today that has been measured to heights of 180 feet or more." http://www.nativetreesociety.org/fieldtrips/gsmnp/gsmnp_tall_trees.htm

BC Canada:

Both photos are from Canada.
Zeus , is this what you described this in post 5?
http://wc-zope.emergence.com:8080/WildernessCommittee_Org/campaigns/historic/carmanah/imageGallery/

Yes, very similar. I misspelled it, had to look it up. It's Meares Island. Link -

http://www.oceanoutfitters.bc.ca/meares.htm

Pics -





It is protected at the moment, hope it stays that way.

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"And a frign hat. They gave me a hat at the annual benefits meeting. I said. how does this benefit me. I dont have anything from the company.. So they gave me a hat." - TheDon

I found the other one I was talking about, the tree with trees growing out of it. It's apparently called the Hanging Garden Tree, it's a cedar over 2,000 years old with a 60 foot circumference (approx. 20 foot diameter).

A pic - you can see all the different types of smaller trees literally growing out of it. It's so ancient it has itself become a substrate for the growth of other fully mature trees. It was pretty cool to see.

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"And a frign hat. They gave me a hat at the annual benefits meeting. I said. how does this benefit me. I dont have anything from the company.. So they gave me a hat." - TheDon

A large percentage of the trees in W. Virginia and the Eastern US were American Chestnut. Blight took out most of them back in the early 1900's. However they are not extinct. Shoots keep growing from the remaining stumps but die once they reach 10 or 20 feet. Scientists are now crossing these with Chinese Chestnuts which are blight resistant, and then back crossing succeeding generations until they have all the physical traits of American Chestnuts, but with disease resistance.

They are a few generations along now so hopefully we will see these giants return to their former glory in our lifetime.

http://www.fs.fed.us/r8/chestnut/qa.php

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Personally I don't think it's a good idea to cross things between species to bring them back. I don't think you can improve on Mother Nature and if she made them disappear from blight it was for a reason. To me it's a feelgood thing that could potentially cause worse problems in the future. I have no degree in anything to back this up, just my belief in Mother Nature which is as close to a religion as I get.

Why you greenie you. I sorta lean that way myself but this is not GMO type crossing but the older more organic variety, at least I'm pretty sure that's what he's referring to.

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Why you greenie you. I sorta lean that way myself but this is not GMO type crossing but the older, more organic variety, at least I'm pretty sure that's what he's referring to.

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I have read about the recovery of the logs from the great lakes. That is very cool. I might have to check out yellowwood We typically get to Nashville a couple of times a year. Brown county park is a huge woods but it all is clear cut originally. After that it was donated in the thirties or forties as a park, I believe.

BTW, I love that this thread is getting so much attention. I just love trees and wood. I love them in the woods, I love the smell of them being cut by a saw, I love making things out of them and repairing things made out of them. I have been known to buy old stuff just because I like the look of one piece of wood!

I also have a small collection of wooden things....trim planes made from blocks of wood, drawing triangles, t squares, carpenter squares, carpenter rules which fold...I love the old wooden tools!

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Also, there are chestnut trees in the midwest. They fell to the same blight. I think there are some restoration effort going on here too. Also, I thought this happened to Elm trees to an extent.
There was a PBS special, it might have been NOVA, on a species of trees in Claifornia. They were some type of pine. They were refered to as Methusala trees. They were at least a few thousand years old, if not older. The expert on them, cut one down years ago to see what age it was. While counting the rings, he came to the conclusion that he just killed the oldest living thing on earth. Latter he found an older specimen. He wouldn't revele where it was.
Also, since grass was commented on, there are projects to restore native grasslands going on. That in another whole ecco system. There was another PBS special about cranes, I think sandhill cranes. Some river in Nebraska was so altered, that trees were starting to grow there. This gave preditors a foot hold to prey on them.
In a Trout Unlimited article, I was read on a river in I think Minnesota. It had been logged etc. It recieved protected status. That sounds good, but part of the problem was that beavers would cut down any trees of size. So onle dogwood or cotton wood trees would grow. Only native americans could legally hunt them, and pelts don't bring much today. It also looked at the point of at which status or state or era should the river/land/ecco system be restored to.
Tom

True. It's a long process that involves waiting for each new cross-bred generation to grow up and produce nuts. They have to do that about 6 times. I was part of a group in Maryland that prepared a plot for new saplings, and the biologists involved gave a few talks about it. Interesting stuff.

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