A lot of larger projects can require that, or if their are some special trees.

I have seen them move trees in FL and up here.


Around here were usualy just clearing junk, their are no nice forests left. Although we tend to keep larger trees by defualt since they are expensive to cut down.

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Everybody loves trees- some people love them standing and some people love them laying on the ground. Earth First- we'll log the other planets later. Both seen on bumper stickers on a forklift at a lumber yard!! Me I have my own forest of oaks, pines, and firs that I guard with a wary eye. In Carmel you have to protect the trees when doing construction by encircling them with 2x4's and you need a permit to cut a tree or limb over 6 inches in diameter. I recall reading about Europe being depleted of tall trees for ship masts and when North America was discovered all trees over a certain height were deemed property of the King or something like that. Just some random thoughts about trees.

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Roy Hill , Master Housewright Colonial Williamsburg gives a great explantation of the importance and use of White Pine in an Intro for the book series "Architectural treasures of early America". He explainswhite Pine Grew to 400 years old as tall as a 20 story building and could be as much as six feet in diameter. The King of England in 1761 laid claim to all White Pines larger than 2 feet in diameter. These were to be used as ship Masts for the royal navy. He tells of the Great Lakes Mills that produced over 3 billion pine shingles per year for 24 years. By 1786 there were already complaints of poorer quality lumber.

I have driven around the great lakes (some of them....ontario, michigan, huron, erie. On the north shores the landscape is nothing but stunted growth with patches of soil over limestone. I first did not understand what I was looking at but eventually figured out it was all logged out jack pine forests which were logged out a hundred years ago but which has never recovered.

It is very sad. The lumber was wonderful...i see it from time to time in older structures around here. It is clearly pine but is nearly as hard as oak with very close grain. A deep rich red color.

Don't let them tell you that log farms are anything like the ecosystem that occurred naturally.

I have never heard of 13' diameter white oak before.....amazing!

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

Thanks for the info. Seems poor forest management began long ago. When I was an apprentice carpenter 30+ years ago the redwood we used would stain your hands purple after handling it all day and the lumber we would reject would be considered prime these days. I never used to recycle any lumber but now I keep and reuse any old stuff I can find as the quality is vastly superior. I have a fairly large stash that should last me through any projects I have planned. Even though I'm not a carpenter anymore I still dumpster dive and scrounge old lumber on jobsites. I am amazed that people will pay to have better than you can buy now lumber taken to the dump!

Being a carpenter you may enjoy looking thru this. http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&id=8LIAAAAAYAAJ&dq=the+white+pine+series+of+architectural+monographs&printsec=frontcover&source=web&ots=ntGcqDsFw_&sig=mAUtT2pn4oaXRnYehD2b54__ogQ#v=onepage&q=&f=false Hand built homes out of fine virgin lumber.

Cool! Another very cool book is The Carpenters Assistant by James Newlands. It has detailed illustrations on building complex domes, roofs, joinery etc. it is very technical and covers every aspect in great detail. The copy I have is dated 1990 but I believe it was originally published way before that - I just read on the jacket that it is a 19th century manual. I have referred to it often in my career and recommend it to anyone interested in building out of the ordinary. Sorry but i have no idea if it is available online or how to link to it.

We recycle anything that we can. Taking old lumber out of farily modern buildings is a little tricky though since its 1 5/8" thick and modern lumber is 1 1/2 if you are lucky. Mixing them can make hanging and finishing your drywall a little tricky. The older rough sawn lumber is no good unless you are using lath and plaster which does not need same size lumber nearly as much as drywall does.

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

The last framing job I did had 12 foot 2x8's for the floor joists and within that length the width varied from 7-1/4 to 7-5/8 sometimes on the same board!!! I would almost call that roughsawn. I have used a lot of roughsawn redwood for framing outdoor projects and you just have to work off of one side and notch or shim. Have you ever noticed that the plate stock for old roughsawn doug fir was uniform thickness so you could cut your studs to uniform length. Platestock is the holy grail of old lumber to me! Tom- as an architect you would probably really appreciate The Carpenters Assistant. Check it out if you can.

"The Carpenters Assistant by James Newlands" I have been doing a seach looking for it. Looks like it was written in 1854 but reprinted in 1990. I think I might order a copy. Thanks!
http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-me...pdp_images_all

Yeah, those maps tell a sad tale.

Some good news on this front - Canada just created an 11,000 square kilometre park that will protect, among many things, a large section of boreal forest.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20100205/national_park_100206/20100206?hub=Canada

For comparison, Yellowstone is about 9,000 km/2.

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1989 300E - 333,000 Km - sold
1977 280E - sold
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That one hell of a Park system! "The Mealy Mountains National Park announcement follows others from the provinces of Ontario, Quebec and Manitoba and the federal government in the Northwest Territories to designate more than 23 million acres of new parks and wildlife refuges and to undertake conservation planning to protect another 200 million acres, an area twice the size of California."

It is impressive, isn't it? Must not be a lot of resources on those lands. The collective geo surveys from the oil & mining companies must have just been submitted.

It is nice to see though, the government had been lacking in this aspect for a while, nice to see concrete action.

As others have posted, I am all for sustainable harvesting. Especially in ecosystems like BC, where the climate provides rapid growth and selected areas can be viably cycled. It's the wholesale plunder as stated in this thread's first post that I hate to see. Such ignorance and greed...a lot of that virgin lumber probably got used for mundane uses and even firewood/fuel.

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2007 E550 4Matic - 61,000 Km - Iridium Silver, black leather, Sport package, Premium 2 package
2007 GL450 4Matic - 62,000 Km - Obsidian Black Metallic, black leather, all options
1998 E430 - sold
1989 300E - 333,000 Km - sold
1977 280E - sold
1971 250 - retired

"And a frign hat. They gave me a hat at the annual benefits meeting. I said. how does this benefit me. I dont have anything from the company.. So they gave me a hat." - TheDon

I will!

I may be an Architect but I think I have the soul of a Carpenter. I LOVE wood!

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.