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#31 03-22-2010, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Txjake

The IRS will be in charge of monitoring your insurance status....

That seems like the easiest way to collect the fine from people who chose not to buy insurance. From what I've read, the fine is only $750 so anyone who wants to opt out and self-insure just has to pay a token fine when when they file taxes. I doubt anything can be done about very poor/ homeless people who don't want to sign up.

Fulcrum525 · #32 03-22-2010, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by SwampYankee

I'm just hoping like hell it's not as bad or expensive as I think it will be. Any time I hear a politician say it won't be as expensive as they thought I can't help but think bull$h!t.

I haven't read the bill but listening to a local, Libertarian talking head who, between he and his sister (both lawyers, she also a law professor) have read every single page, thinks it's a nightmare (he is battling Lupus) and has me concerned.

And the next time the Republicans are in control and ram something down the Democrats throats through parliamentary procedure, we'll know where the precedent was set.

Can't wait to hear what else they said. Did your economy speaker chime in on this yet?

HuskyMan · #33 03-22-2010, 09:49 AM

have personal knowledge of at least ONE very experienced MD (years of
experience under his belt) who said he is going to retire as a result
of this bill. I suspect he is not alone......

#34 03-22-2010, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SwampYankee

And the next time the Republicans are in control and ram something down the Democrats throats through parliamentary procedure, we'll know where the precedent was set.

This wasn't the first or last time for these tactics. The cheney/bush tax cuts were passed with similar tactics. This will go on unless/until the congress changes it's own rules; eliminating the senate filibuster rule might be a good start. Both sides will do whatever it takes to pass its bills, and the other side will always complain. Business as usual.

HuskyMan · #35 03-22-2010, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Craig

That seems like the easiest way to collect the fine from people who chose not to buy insurance. From what I've read, the fine is only $750 so anyone who wants to opt out and self-insure just has to pay a token fine when when they file taxes. I doubt anything can be done about very poor/ homeless people who don't want to sign up.

$750 could buy a lot of groceries. this takes food off the table for many
Americans. the insurance boys win again.

Zeus · #36 03-22-2010, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by soothappens

How far in debt are you guys to nations like say .....maybe China ? May have a bit to do with it as well .

The mortgage deal is nice makes sense.

How over inflated were the property values ? The property values here in Texas rose only about 2-3 % during the bubble therefore we were able to recover from the housing slump faster. Economy is doing fairly well here.

Lessons learned from the mid 80's housing boom / bust .

Our current debt-to-GDP ratio is decent among the G10 nations. Currently. We have issues to face to keep it there.

Properties were not that over-inflated, we didn't really have the big boom and bust the US had. There was lots of media hype at the start and lots of talk about recession...but as it happened we kind of looked around and realized we were far more insulated from the effects than we had likely initially thought.

The US was the only G10 nation to not have some form of universal health care. A bill/action like this was necessary, IMO. Hope it works out for the US!

SwampYankee · #37 03-22-2010, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

If Insurance stock went up that probably is not a good sign for the strength of the bill.

They had their hands in it from the beginning and requiring citizens to have insurance should amount to more customers.

#38 03-22-2010, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan

$750 could buy a lot of groceries. this takes food off the table for many Americans. the insurance boys win again.

My point was that someone rich enough to opt out of having health insurance only has to pay $750. Anyone who can't pay $750 without missing a meal is probably going to come out ahead under this bill anyway, I belive the subsidies go up to about $80k for a family of four (four times the poverty level?).

HuskyMan · #39 03-22-2010, 10:02 AM

the systematic dismantling of the world's greatest health care system.....
kinda like G.M. (government motors), we now have GHC (government
health care). get ready to go on a waiting list for necessary surgery.
a long waiting list........

#40 03-22-2010, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by SwampYankee

They had their hands in it from the beginning and requiring citizens to have insurance should amount to more customers.

I'm sure they will benifit from a bigger pool of customers.

SwampYankee · #41 03-22-2010, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Craig

This wasn't the first or last time for these tactics. The cheney/bush tax cuts were passed with similar tactics. This will go on unless/until the congress changes it's own rules; eliminating the senate filibuster rule might be a good start. Both sides will do whatever it takes to pass its bills, and the other side will always complain. Business as usual.

Yep. Many have had it with all of them.

JollyRoger · #42 03-22-2010, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan

the systematic dismantling of the world's greatest health care system.....
kinda like G.M. (government motors), we now have GHC (government
health care). get ready to go on a waiting list for necessary surgery.
a long waiting list........

^ utter ignorance of what is in the bill

HuskyMan · #43 03-22-2010, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Craig

My point was that someone rich enough to opt out of having health insurance only has to pay $750. Anyone who can't pay $750 without missing a meal is probably going to come out ahead under this bill anyway, I belive the subsidies go up to about $80k for a family of four (four times the poverty level?).

$80K worth of what?

if what I hear from one of our local experienced MD's, the doctors with years of experience are going to use this bill as a good reason to RETIRE. enter the new Soviet style docs who will give you all the "free" health care you can stand.....

#44 03-22-2010, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan

the systematic dismantling of the world's greatest health care system.....

Did someone mess with the french healthcare system (#1 according to the last WHO study)? The US was #37 in that study.

#45 03-22-2010, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan

$80K worth of what?

if what I hear from one of our local experienced MD's, the doctors with years of experience are going to use this bill as a good reason to RETIRE. enter the new Soviet style docs who will give you all the "free" health care you can stand.....

$80K of annual income is the cutoff for subsidized insurance for a family of four, if I understand the bill correctly.

Sorry to hear your doc is retiring, we've had a couple stop practicing due to high liability insurance premiums.