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Old 04-02-2010, 10:33 PM
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Hypocrisy Inc.

http://www.republicansexoffenders.com/

http://www.salem-news.com/articles/october172007/repub_scandals_10_17_07.php

I'm not saying that the Dems. don't do the same but I don't think that they make quite as many and make such a big deal of being moral ad nauseium.

The comments in the second site are interesting because of the number of local officials that are cited.

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Old 04-02-2010, 10:39 PM
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Why do you live in Texas?
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I am a 5th. generation Texan, my 3rd. great grand father was the first governor of the Republic of Texas, my 2nd. great grand father owned the largest cattle ranch in America based here in S. Tx., my family left me some nice waterfront property here so it it is pretty much mandatory that I live here. Had I not been left the property I would have stayed in the Middle East. Besides right now we are hip deep in wildflowers which makes up for some of the draw backs.
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Old 04-02-2010, 11:19 PM
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My god man...when did you discover this shocking news...Republicans have penises and they use em for something other than peeing. This is just earth shaking news.
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Old 04-02-2010, 11:42 PM
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When one preaches moral superiority over others, you damn well better be moral your self don't you think? Other wise it's kind of like Manson telling the BTK guy he is a bad person.
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It is not what they use their equipment for it is the hypocrisy with which they do it. Most of these men have support 'family values', anti gays, children, etc., i.e. all the things that under the cloak of darkness they partake of. I don't mind where they dip their wick as long as they convince me that they are righteous and holy. Don't try to convince me by going to church that you are a christian when in fact you go there to screw the choir boy.
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Old 04-03-2010, 02:20 AM
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I am a 5th. generation Texan, my 3rd. great grand father was the first governor of the Republic of Texas, my 2nd. great grand father owned the largest cattle ranch in America based here in S. Tx., my family left me some nice waterfront property here so it it is pretty much mandatory that I live here. Had I not been left the property I would have stayed in the Middle East. Besides right now we are hip deep in wildflowers which makes up for some of the draw backs.
Good reasons. I've never been, but that may change soon, my girlfriend is going to grad school in Austin. We'll see...
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It is not what they use their equipment for it is the hypocrisy with which they do it. Most of these men have support 'family values', anti gays, children, etc., i.e. all the things that under the cloak of darkness they partake of.
So therefore, the Dems, since they don't preach family values, aren't held to any moral standard (go Clinton!), and that's the brilliant political move you applaud. Great, why have a moral standard at all then? Why set a foundation of decency and set lofty goals for a moral society if you're going to get knocked down when someone from your "group" doesn't adhere?

You're going to take anecdotal examples and extend that as representative to 100m Republicans? Fine - Al Sharpton is a racist, therefore, the Dems are racists.

Stop racism you Dems! Why can't you just treat people based on their merits rather than their skin tones?!? I'm sick of you Dems preaching tolerance and peace while your moral leader Sharpton is out there stoking the fires of racism for his personal gain; "don't try to convince me by going to church that you are a christian when in fact you go there to screw the choir boy."

This thread, like your other slanted threads, is absurd.
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Old 04-03-2010, 09:48 AM
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Not quite the same. What was the last bill the dems tried to pass pertaining to racism or tolerance that would place some minority at a disadvantage? Saying that one is against homosexuals and that they are deviants, then voting for a bill denying them civil rights all while being gay takes a special kind of self hatred. Going after the POTUS for adultery while at the same time banging your secretary and dumping your wife while she is hospitalized, that is special. Telling people that abstinence is the only way while neither you or your daughter were able to keep ones legs crossed prior to marriage, not too mention the mountains of evidence showing that abstinence is not effective is special.

I do not believe in applying the attributes of a few to the group as a whole. I do believe that politicians are disingenuous to begin with and when it comes to anything sexually related that republican politicians are more disingenuous on average.
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Old 04-03-2010, 09:56 AM
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I am a 5th. generation Texan, my 3rd. great grand father was the first governor of the Republic of Texas, my 2nd. great grand father owned the largest cattle ranch in America based here in S. Tx., my family left me some nice waterfront property here so it it is pretty much mandatory that I live here. Had I not been left the property I would have stayed in the Middle East. Besides right now we are hip deep in wildflowers which makes up for some of the draw backs.
King or Kleberg ?

I almost married a Kleberg back in my Texas A&M days. (Thank God I didn't)
Wow...we nearly coulda' be'n kin !!

Funny thing - If you're talking King Ranch. Don't forget to tell folks your biggest money maker is guided Quail hunts and not cattle.
Funny how the biggest cattle ranch pays the bills with little birds and not cattle.
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So therefore, the Dems, since they don't preach family values, aren't held to any moral standard (go Clinton!), and that's the brilliant political move you applaud. Great, why have a moral standard at all then? Why set a foundation of decency and set lofty goals for a moral society if you're going to get knocked down when someone from your "group" doesn't adhere?
I don't think that criticism works. The issue is not over moral standards vs. no moral standards. The issue is over what the moral standards concern. Republicans seem to think that moral standards largely concern sex and family and Democrats think moral standards apply to other things like the environment and social justice.
So Gore's huge house is an example of Democratic hypocrisy, but no one thinks James Watt's huge house(if he has one) would be an example of hypocrisy.

Why do political conservatives focus so strongly on the morality of sex and family?
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Why do political conservatives focus so strongly on the morality of sex and family?
I don't know the answer to that one.

Perhaps conservative people generally accept those proscriptions on their own sex, morality and family. Then, political candidates, eager to please ( read "pander") use those moral standards as the means to demonstrate their worthiness to be elected. Those political candidates, lie, of course. Or, they excuse their personal failures as not important.

This lying is not limited to one side, or the other. Liberals tend to promote themselves as generous and caring about others' needs. Yet, as a group, liberals do not use their own money in charitable giving. Some of the most liberal/progressive on this board are also among the most prolific purveyors of vitriol. Yet free speech must mean free speech for even that speech you hate or it becomes simply allowing speech with which you agree.
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WVOtoGO,

I wish I was kin to the Kings or Klebergs. I wouldn't be driving a 1975 Diesel MB.

My family were Fultons that owned half of the Coleman Fulton Pasture Co. in San Patrico co. At its biggest it was almost 200k acres. At present I don't own one square inch of the ranch. I have 8 acres of land that belonged to my great grandmother Caruthers. Oh, how the mighty haven fallen.
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Old 04-03-2010, 11:24 AM
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So therefore, the Dems, since they don't preach family values, aren't held to any moral standard (go Clinton!), and that's the brilliant political move you applaud. Great, why have a moral standard at all then? Why set a foundation of decency and set lofty goals for a moral society if you're going to get knocked down when someone from your "group" doesn't adhere?

You're going to take anecdotal examples and extend that as representative to 100m Republicans? Fine - Al Sharpton is a racist, therefore, the Dems are racists.

Stop racism you Dems! Why can't you just treat people based on their merits rather than their skin tones?!? I'm sick of you Dems preaching tolerance and peace while your moral leader Sharpton is out there stoking the fires of racism for his personal gain; "don't try to convince me by going to church that you are a christian when in fact you go there to screw the choir boy."

This thread, like your other slanted threads, is absurd.
When we vote for Clinton, we Democrats know just what we are getting. Most of us could care less what another person chooses to stick up his butt or what he or she chooses to do with a fine cigar, we just want someone capable of governing well. I don't see Sharpton as some sort of "moral leader" he's a cartoonish stereotype who carries little weight in the Democratic Party, indeed, the man has never been elected to anything. Democrats tend to accept people as they are, while those on the right want to live in some sort of John Wayne fantasy land. You fail to see the basic humanity in people, which is why you could care less if they live or die for lack of healthcare, and all the other rights you endeavor to deny to others because of your own moral judgements as is the case with homosexuals and women in need of an abortion. I wonder which party Jesus would choose as the one that is truly Christian ? Perhaps what you Republicans should stop doing is casting the first stone.
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I don't know the answer to that one.

Perhaps conservative people generally accept those proscriptions on their own sex, morality and family. Then, political candidates, eager to please ( read "pander") use those moral standards as the means to demonstrate their worthiness to be elected. Those political candidates, lie, of course. Or, they excuse their personal failures as not important.

This lying is not limited to one side, or the other. Liberals tend to promote themselves as generous and caring about others' needs. Yet, as a group, liberals do not use their own money in charitable giving. Some of the most liberal/progressive on this board are also among the most prolific purveyors of vitriol. Yet free speech must mean free speech for even that speech you hate or it becomes simply allowing speech with which you agree.
Perhaps they just like thinking they are better than everyone else.

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