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R Leo · #31 05-30-2010, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by RichC

Your kidding right ???
Check your own facts, and quit calling people names.

Can you read?

Sedco Forex merged with Transocean. It's like a man marrying a woman: the man is never the woman.

Jeez.

MS Fowler · #32 05-30-2010, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RichC

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Can you comprehend that the media and corporations are manipulating you.

Your blaming the president for this.
And letting the companies that did it , off the hook.

Your twisted right wing logic will put the american taxpayer on the hook for cleaning up this mess, and let the responsible parties go free.

How in the world to you come up with these completely twisted ideas ??
Where does your information come from ??
Stop it !!!
You hurt us all with that sort of thinking....

I would disagree about whom it is that is being manipulated.
I am NOT blaming the President for any of this. Neither am I believing that he was really on top of it since day 1.
How is the American taxpayer on the hook? Don't you think BP will be paying?

Does it somehow strengthen your argument to continually label what I post as "right-wing"? I think that is simply your version of the old ad hominum, which we all know means you have no cogent argument.

I don't mind debating, but, frankly, I don't see how your critique moves the argument anywhere.

t walgamuth · #33 05-30-2010, 08:56 PM

It will be quite interesting to see how it all shakes out. If BP actually pays all the damages I will be impressed.

davidmash · #34 05-30-2010, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

I would disagree about whom it is that is being manipulated.
I am NOT blaming the President for any of this. Neither am I believing that he was really on top of it since day 1.
How is the American taxpayer on the hook? Don't you think BP will be paying?

Does it somehow strengthen your argument to continually label what I post as "right-wing"? I think that is simply your version of the old ad hominum, which we all know means you have no cogent argument.

I don't mind debating, but, frankly, I don't see how your critique moves the argument anywhere.

BP may pay for some of it up front. We the consumer will pay for all of it on the back end. Those responsible both in the government and in the corporation who put graft/profit before safety will never see the inside of a cell or have to pay a dime.

MS Fowler · #35 05-30-2010, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by davidmash

BP may pay for some of it up front. We the consumer will pay for all of it on the back end. Those responsible both in the government and in the corporation who put graft/profit before safety will never see the inside of a cell or have to pay a dime.

This is where I'd like to see Boards of Directors take charge. It'll probably never happen as the Directors and CEO are too cosy, but it SHOULD happen.

davidmash · #36 05-30-2010, 11:54 PM

How would BOD's help? They are typically filled with fellow CEO's and other fat cats who have little motivation to see the right thing done. Get the share holders involved and that could be interesting. After they are done, the US Gen Attorney can step in.

RichC · #37 05-31-2010, 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by R Leo

Can you read?

Sedco Forex merged with Transocean. It's like a man marrying a woman: the man is never the woman.

Jeez.

Can you be more condescending and wrong at the same time ?

You went from saying this

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Chicken Little, you need to check your facts. Sedco was never Transocean.

To saying

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Sedco Forex merged with Transocean.

The company was called Sedco.
Then the company was called Transocean.

You know what they call it now ???
Go look at there website.

They call it
Transocean Sedco Forex Inc

http://www.fundinguniverse.com/compa...y-History.html

RichC · #38 05-31-2010, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

I would disagree about whom it is that is being manipulated.
I am NOT blaming the President for any of this. Neither am I believing that he was really on top of it since day 1.
How is the American taxpayer on the hook? Don't you think BP will be paying?

Does it somehow strengthen your argument to continually label what I post as "right-wing"? I think that is simply your version of the old ad hominum, which we all know means you have no cogent argument.

I don't mind debating, but, frankly, I don't see how your critique moves the argument anywhere.

You make everything political.
Every argument you make I have heard from right wing sources.
There is no argument as to who is responsible.
Unless you think the president bombed the oil rig on purpose.
I am surprised that little right wing idea hasn't reared it little head around here.

MS Fowler · #39 05-31-2010, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by RichC

You make everything political.
Every argument you make I have heard from right wing sources.
There is no argument as to who is responsible.
Unless you think the president bombed the oil rig on purpose.
I am surprised that little right wing idea hasn't reared it little head around here.

Unless you simply assume that the oil companies are solely responsible, of course we need to determine responsibility. BP and the drilling company obviously have a large measure of responsibility. But what about federal oversight that did not even anticipate such a problem, nor have a list of possible solutions. Who bears the responsibility for not having the booms and other equipment on hand that were required by federal law? Were Bush's people still running the oversight agencies?

All my argument are political? Of course--that is the purpose of these discussions. How does that make me any different from you? All of your arguments are also political, and come from a left wing/ progressive viewpoint. How are you and me different other than our relative POVs?

732002 · #40 05-31-2010, 09:43 AM

The private sector does all the drilling so it is likely that they are the only ones with the equipment and experience to fix this. It is possible the Navy has something?

Politics: not sure which side will best use this disaster to their advantage but I bet "drill baby drill" will not be a campaign slogan any time soon.

davidmash · #41 05-31-2010, 12:50 PM

Why should I have to have equipment to protect my self from an issue the gas station on the corner might have? I would think that is the responsibility of the gas station?

If BP is going to put platform in the gulf out of the goodness of their heart that is one thing but they are not doing that are they?

Yes government over sight was lacking in a big way and those responsible should face jail time if it was malfeasance. The BP officials should be tared with their own oil.

MS Fowler · #42 05-31-2010, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by davidmash

Why should I have to have equipment to protect my self from an issue the gas station on the corner might have? I would think that is the responsibility of the gas station?

If BP is going to put platform in the gulf out of the goodness of their heart that is one thing but they are not doing that are they?

Yes government over sight was lacking in a big way and those responsible should face jail time if it was malfeasance. The BP officials should be tared with their own oil.

If you passed a law that required you to keep some emergency equipment on hand, and failed to follow your own law, what would you say?
Much like the ACOE not properly designing or building the dikes for New Orleans, the feds messed up here, too.
By all means hold BP, and the drilling company responsible. But do not let the government off, if they indeed failed to do what they were required to do. Its time to stop judging government on "intentions" rather than results.

davidmash · #43 05-31-2010, 03:16 PM

Not sure what law was passed when but what ever dumb ass did that ought to be shot. The only law that should have been passed was one that said if a company wants to build something that could affect the lives of the public they damn well better be prepared to deal with any issues that arise. If issues arise that were due to negligence as appears to be the case here, they should be ready to do jail time and face huge fines based on their net worth.

Seem to me I have seen several here voice their opposition to government intervention and incompetence. Health care is one example that comes to mind. I see the BP spill as a perfect example of how corporations cannot be expected to do the right thing and that the market will not hold them accountable. Exxon had a drunk driving a tanker and it ran aground. WTF!!!

Until corporations are held accountable for their actions by the courts and by the government nothing will change. IF BP knew that they would have to pay for 100% of the clean up as well as an additional 10% of their corporate NW I am pretty sure this would have never happened.

I want the corporations to run the business and I want the governments to do the over sights. Obama said he wants emission requirements on large trucks. Great... now the truck makers need to meet the goal. That in my opinion is how it should be done.

RichC · #44 05-31-2010, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

Unless you simply assume that the oil companies are solely responsible, of course we need to determine responsibility. BP and the drilling company obviously have a large measure of responsibility. But what about federal oversight that did not even anticipate such a problem, nor have a list of possible solutions. Who bears the responsibility for not having the booms and other equipment on hand that were required by federal law? Were Bush's people still running the oversight agencies?

All my argument are political? Of course--that is the purpose of these discussions. How does that make me any different from you? All of your arguments are also political, and come from a left wing/ progressive viewpoint. How are you and me different other than our relative POVs?

Dude, my post usually come from an human rights perspective.

The fact that you perceive them as liberal is proof you politicize everything.

RichC · #45 05-31-2010, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

If you passed a law that required you to keep some emergency equipment on hand, and failed to follow your own law, what would you say?
Much like the ACOE not properly designing or building the dikes for New Orleans, the feds messed up here, too.
By all means hold BP, and the drilling company responsible. But do not let the government off, if they indeed failed to do what they were required to do. Its time to stop judging government on "intentions" rather than results.

So, you support stricter government regulations on offshore oil drilling ????