The math is very simple. I am 200#, he is 2000#. Your fault, my fault, nobody's fault. It don't matter. He hits me, I lose. Sure, if I live I can sue him, etc, etc. That is only if I don't suffer a severe injury. You can give me 10 billion dollars but if all I am doing is lying in bed, drinking my lunch thru a straw, it don't help me. Ask yourself this. How much money would I have to give you to cut off a leg or two? Sure, every man has his price but I doubt you can afford mine.

FACT: When he hits me, I have more to lose if I am a pedestrian or on a bicycle or on a motorcycle. So, it behooves ME to take care and watch for him and not just stand my ground and say "I live in a dumb state that has pedestrian rights so I can ........". Money and having him arrested and tossed in jail won't bring back your legs or "Jesus Christ" you if you are permanently attached to that bed in a nursing home with "Bruinhilda" turning you ever 2 hrs.

Take it this way, the small animal has as much right to be in the forest and drinking from the same stream as the tiger but the animal that lives is the one that sees the tiger approaching and moves away. Is it fair? Nope. It is life. There is no point grumbling about it. It does about the same as me griping that the sun rises in the east and shine thru my window and wakes me up. Wall off that window, move the house or do something. The sun ain't movin so you move.

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Sheesh guys, give it a rest. This arguement carries about as much water as the old tirade about "my taxes paid for this road and pay YOUR salary", given to a state trooper when someone is pulled over for a traffic stop.

Problem is, there are far too many idiots out there - motorists, motorcyclists, AND bicyclists - who seem to take this idea literally, and drive as they damn well please, regardless of traffic laws and other's safety.

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Rather than contradicting me, you're making my argument for me with your second paragraph.

"Share the road" means just that. Should a bicycle not be a menace to an auto driver? Sure. Should an auto driver try to not kill cyclists? Absolutely.

Bullcrap. The entire arguement was a strawman, both your side and Hattie's - anyone that pays taxes, local, state, or federal, helps subsidize public roads - and no one has more or less "right" to make use of those roads, based on what taxes, licensing, or registration fees they pay, or how much "wear" their vehicle puts on the road.

What if I didn't own a car or bicycle, and walked to work every day? Would that give me the "right" to thumb my nose at you and Hattie both, because MY taxes paid for the road that Hattie drives HIS truck on, and the bike lanes that you ride YOUR bicycle on, and I'm putting ZERO wear on either? Not bloody likely.

Even if I walked everywhere in my daily affairs, I still receive benefit from those public roads - EMT's, fire dept, and police would use them to respond to MY needs if the situation would arise - and the commerce that travels on those public roads (ie, the truckers) provides readily available food, goods, and other services to me - besides enabling businesses to operate and provide gainful employment.

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In answer to #1, it's somewhat unclear.

NRS 405.250 "3. Except as otherwise provided in NRS 484B.767, a person who willfully and intentionally rides or drives, or causes to be ridden or driven, any animal, vehicle or other thing over or upon such a sidewalk, without permission of the owner or occupant, shall be punished by a fine of not more than $20, in addition to the costs of prosecution."

This would sound like "illegal", but a search of the Carson City Municipal Code gave me 10.26.300, which states "1. The sheriff is authorized to erect signs on any sidewalk, street, or highway prohibiting the riding of bicycles, skateboards, roller skates, in-line skates, or similar devices thereon by any person. When such signs are in place it is unlawful for any person to disobey the same.

2. Whenever any person is riding a bicycle, skateboard, roller skates, in-line skates, or similar devices upon a sidewalk, street or highway, such person shall yield the right-of-way to any pedestrian and shall give an audible signal before overtaking and passing any such pedestrian."

As there aren't any signs up in that area prohibiting riding of a bicycle on a sidewalk, I think it may be legal.

As for #2. After much searching of NRS and municipal code, I can't find a requirement to wear a helmet while riding a bicycle. I thought we had one


True. The danger to others is much less than if he did that while driving a car, and I see people doing that disturbingly often.

I'm actually signed up to take the MSF course next month. I'm thinking the situation dealing with cars from a motorcycle will be better than dealing with cars from a bicycle. It makes noise, so there's more chance of being noticed, it can go the same speed as the cars, and I don't think there's as much hatred of motorcyclists as there seems to be for bicycle users.

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My argument is that the car has no more right than the cyclist to use the road, and this seems to be what you're saying. Again, you reinforce my actual argument, and the straw-man is your own.

You are arguing with me against a position that I have not taken. That's the very definition of a straw man. Show me what straw men that I have built here?

I don't like bikes because they are slow and get in my way. Like I said silly Victorian distractions.


If I was in charge bikes would be relegated to the sidewalk or grass so as not to impede motor vehicles and buses would be banned.

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I hate this argument.

I try to commute to work on my bike whenever I can (about 9-10 miles each way). I love it because I like bike riding and also I like the fact that I'm saving money on gas (even if it isn't much, but it all adds up) and it's green. I have two cars that are REGISTERED and INSURED. When I drive it's usually my 1st-gen Honda Insight, and I gass up about every 6 weeks.

Not dissing you, Hatterasguy, but I just don't agree with your statement. There are many people who ride bikes and own a car, they just choose to ride. Riding a bike has minimal impact on road degradation compared to cars.

Federal taxes help fund federal highways. State taxes help fund state highways and roads, county taxes help fund county roads, local and municipal taxes help fund local roads.

Despite what people might think, all the taxes collected at the pump can only fund about a quarter of the roads. None of the federal gas tax funds local roads.

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To the OP. Cycles rule in S.E.Asia.
Each morning at about 6:30 a.m. approx 80,000 cycles, scooters, and tri-saws converge at the border of Malaysia-singapore. Unleashing an angry swarm of kamikazi cyclists on the streets, highways.
They ride in between cars, on the white line, swerving in and out of traffic, go to the front of the line at red lights, and......approx 3-5 are killed each and every day...approx 25-40 are maimed each day.

And still..they just keep on coming...relentlesly...

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all this talk of if bikes have the same rights as cars to the road.i say when they start making it mandatory that you have to license your bike,have a valid drivers license for a BICYCLE AND have to carry liability insurance then yes.until then STAY the heck off MY road.

And I say that you have a terrible uphill road here, overturning centuries of precedence. Bicycles have been considered road vehicles since before there was a single automobile.

The road is not your own, unless you pay for it yourself and it is not under easement. You can tell me to not ride on your driveway, that's fine.

You can't tell me to not ride on your sidewalk, but that's probably not necessary. It's often illegal to ride a bicycle on the sidewalk. Do you know what law covers that one? Why, it's the law that prevents you from driving your car on my sidewalk.

And insurance is not part of the price required to drive. What is required to use the road is likely "financial responsibility." Look at the actual law in your state. You may be able to drop your car insurance, if you can prove that you can pay out a minimum claim. How much damage is a bicycle going to do to your car? A few hundred, grand tops? If a bicycle hits you, call your agent, get your collision to pay, and your insurance company will sue to get the money out of him.

Won't be the first time. There was a time I could marry my 8 yo cousin. As such, that should not be an argument used.

Fair enough. Have you ever sued people? IF not, don't tell me about it. BTW, I do have a name of a guy who hit me without insurance. I had to pay the deductible and my insurance went after him. After all these years, know how much I got? $0.00. A lawsuit is NOT a guarantee of payment. It is simply a piece of paper that says so and so owes you money. It does not mean you collect. In fact, a lawsuit puts you about $150-200 under. Obviously, you can add it to your clam. Till you get paid, that judgment is more expensive than letting it go and eating the money. So, until you want to pay me my deductible I lost, don't talk to me about a suit as though it is meaningful. It isn't until you collect every last penny from it. Till then, it costs you money.

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I don't believe that you're talking about a bicycle accident above. So, until you can show evidence of an actual problem, I'll ask you to refrain from passing new laws.

Perhaps I misread you. So maybe you can explain what your talking of lawsuits has to do with the accident above either. Or are we having a Pot calling the Kettle black issue?

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