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pj67coll · #1 08-17-2011, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by tjts1

You should call her up and tell her that big man. Better yet, show in person and explain it face to face. While you're at it, maybe you could give her a lesson on how Jesus would deal with her predicament. For a supposed Christian you're awfully quick to pass judgement on anyone and everyone.

I'm no christian, but what he said is entirely correct. It has to do with responsibility which was flushed down the toilet decades ago in this society.

- Peter.

BobK · #2 08-17-2011, 10:28 AM

I'd rather look at her history. Figure out what really caused the problems. Probably a bunch of things rolled together...some her fault , some not. And then see if we can't do something to improve her lot- which will also save us money. A couple of years in evening classes might really turn things around.
Then try to fix the things that went wrong in her time. Not necessarily just throw money at this or that, but actually fix things. I never cease to be amazed at the kids coming out of elementary school that really can't read, and we expect them to do well in middle and high school. Probably would not hurt to make some schools less of a war zone.

kerry · #3 08-17-2011, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by pj67coll

I'm no christian, but what he said is entirely correct. It has to do with responsibility which was flushed down the toilet decades ago in this society.

- Peter.

No disagreement from me. The issue is the target--a single mother. It could easily have been argued that the culprit in this case is the father. Here's a single mother taking responsibility, going to school and trying to raise the value of her labor. Where is the father? Why isn't he raising the child while the mother is going to school? Instead sjh decides to deride the mother who appears to be doing everything a person should do to improve their lives and care for her children.

pj67coll · #4 08-17-2011, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by kerry

No disagreement from me. The issue is the target--a single mother. It could easily have been argued that the culprit in this case is the father. Here's a single mother taking responsibility, going to school and trying to raise the value of her labor. Where is the father? Why isn't he raising the child while the mother is going to school? Instead sjh decides to deride the mother who appears to be doing everything a person should do to improve their lives and care for her children.

That is true. But the nature and whereabouts of the father has a lot to do with the whole responsiblility thing in the first place. Was she raped? Or simply fukkin around? Not enough facts about her past to make a definitive judgement. But given her age, status, and problems good choices do not appear to have been high on her list in the past.

- Peter.

PaulC · #5 08-17-2011, 10:56 AM

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No disagreement from me. The issue is the target--a single mother. It could easily have been argued that the culprit in this case is the father. Here's a single mother taking responsibility, going to school and trying to raise the value of her labor. Where is the father? Why isn't he raising the child while the mother is going to school? Instead sjh decides to deride the mother who appears to be doing everything a person should do to improve their lives and care for her children.

Ah, but she started too late! She should have been in undergraduate school back in her late teens, going to Vassar. Her parents should have been Buick-driving attorneys and her suburban house should have had a white picket fence. Very irresponsible of her for not being in that type of situation, and many on this thread clearly haven't forgotten that we all start out equal in life, with identical opportunities, especially minority women.

chilcutt · #6 08-17-2011, 11:02 AM

This should serve to remind us of the enduring power in cross-cultural responses to global inequality.

At the very least..the situation has given voice to a new responsiveness to the United States' assertion of global legal sovereignty.

tjts1 · #7 08-17-2011, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by pj67coll

That is true. But the nature and whereabouts of the father has a lot to do with the whole responsiblility thing in the first place. Was she raped? Or simply fukkin around? Not enough facts about her past to make a definitive judgement. But given her age, status, and problems good choices do not appear to have been high on her list in the past.

- Peter.

Easy there. We all know which sex is the root of all evil. Do I have to paint a picture here?

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Ah, but she started too late! She should have been in undergraduate school back in her late teens, going to Vassar. Her parents should have been Buick-driving attorneys and her suburban house should have had a white picket fence. Very irresponsible of her for not being in that type of situation, and many on this thread clearly haven't forgotten that we all start out equal in life, with identical opportunities, especially minority women.

Obviously its all her fault and now we must all look down on her for trying to go to school and take care of her child on the limited funds she has. I'm sure glad sjh is ready to judge at the drop of a hat. Too bad he doesn't have the balls to say it to her face.

chilcutt · #8 08-17-2011, 11:28 AM

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Easy there. We all know which sex is the root of all evil. Do I have to paint a picture here?

Obviously its all her fault and now we must all look down on her for trying to go to school and take care of her child on the limited funds she has. I'm sure glad sjh is ready to judge at the drop of a hat. Too bad he doesn't have the balls to say it to her face.

sjh to my knowledge doesnt know the young lady in question..so saying something about his scrotum is illogical.

Why are you so hostile towards sjh?

sjh · #9 08-17-2011, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by chilcutt

sjh to my knowledge doesnt know the young lady in question..so saying something about his scrotum is illogical.

Why are you so hostile towards sjh?

pretty picture

For 50 years people have been exposed to persuasion by repetition, volume and emotion

it's what they have been taught

when someone states this is my position because of 1, 2, 3

the only response most know is to hold up their picket sign, whether literally or metaphorically, and wave, yell and protest

that's the limit of their ability to discourse

it's what they have been taught - it's not their fault

have no concern for me my friend, with what I have been through this is nothing - thank you though

ahh, the doe-eyed women, you are a wise man

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chilcutt · #10 08-17-2011, 11:42 AM

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pretty picture

For 50 years people have been exposed to persuasion by repetition, volume and emotion

it's what they have been taught

when someone states this is my position because of 1, 2, 3

the only response most know is to hold up their picket sign, whether literally or metaphorically, and wave, yell and protest

that's the limit of their ability to discourse

it's what they have been taught - it's not their fault

when a PhD (I think) humanities professor engages in this method then it is disheartening, not only because it indicates the depths to which the discipline has sunk but also because he teaches this to his students.

have no concern for me my friend, with what I have been through this is nothing - thank you though

ahh, the doe-eyed women, you are a wise man

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The tactic I prefer to use is..'The louder you scream..the higher you jump..the more you pound your chest-the politer I become-You lose your case"

kerry · #11 08-17-2011, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by sjh

because he teaches this to his students.
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You really are quite confident in your ignorance.

sjh · #12 08-17-2011, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by kerry

No disagreement from me. The issue is the target--a single mother. It could easily have been argued that the culprit in this case is the father. Here's a single mother taking responsibility, going to school and trying to raise the value of her labor. Where is the father? Why isn't he raising the child while the mother is going to school? Instead sjh decides to deride the mother who appears to be doing everything a person should do to improve their lives and care for her children.

MSNBC put her up as their poster-child - not me

It could have been any sex, any age, any color, any belief-system, etc

they just put up what they believed would be most sympathetic

an example of objective, fact-based, well-reasoned discourse from our media

don't gore me because I linked to their emotional dribble .

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sjh · #13 08-17-2011, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by pj67coll

I'm no christian, but what he said is entirely correct. It has to do with responsibility which was flushed down the toilet decades ago in this society.

- Peter.

Right.

This is not a Christian thing.

It's an adult thing.

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cmac2012 · #14 08-20-2011, 05:59 AM

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Right.

This is not a Christian thing.

It's an adult thing.

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And the Christian thing is compassion. Idiot compassion is not good, but merely taking the stance of 'you made your bed, lie in it,' may have a sort of liberating effect on he who utters it, but if such a woman gets tossed out on the street, society incurs other costs. Not saying free checks every week is the answer, it's not good for people and we can't afford it anyway.

The answers are not easy to come by but merely saying 'you should have thought of that before' is not really an answer.

sjh · #15 08-20-2011, 07:04 PM

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And the Christian thing is compassion.
Christianity is about one's relationship with God, not some vogue, social agenda.
Idiot compassion is not good, but merely taking the stance of 'you made your bed, lie in it,' may have a sort of liberating effect on he who utters it, but if such a woman gets tossed out on the street, society incurs other costs. Not saying free checks every week is the answer, it's not good for people and we can't afford it anyway.

The answers are not easy to come by but merely saying 'you should have thought of that before' is not really an answer.

Actually holding people, generation after generation responsible for their actions is in everyone's best interest.

The first thing that is developed in counseling, healing is learning and accepting the consequences of one's actions.

This pablum, brought to a whole new level of absurdity in the '60s, of, "aw, don't worry about it, we'll fix it" is highly corrosive.

It's probable that the woman in question, her parents/grandparents, community all failed and everyone had a way to 'justify' their actions.

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