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kerry · #1 08-17-2011, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by pj67coll

I'm no christian, but what he said is entirely correct. It has to do with responsibility which was flushed down the toilet decades ago in this society.

- Peter.

No disagreement from me. The issue is the target--a single mother. It could easily have been argued that the culprit in this case is the father. Here's a single mother taking responsibility, going to school and trying to raise the value of her labor. Where is the father? Why isn't he raising the child while the mother is going to school? Instead sjh decides to deride the mother who appears to be doing everything a person should do to improve their lives and care for her children.

pj67coll · #2 08-17-2011, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by kerry

No disagreement from me. The issue is the target--a single mother. It could easily have been argued that the culprit in this case is the father. Here's a single mother taking responsibility, going to school and trying to raise the value of her labor. Where is the father? Why isn't he raising the child while the mother is going to school? Instead sjh decides to deride the mother who appears to be doing everything a person should do to improve their lives and care for her children.

That is true. But the nature and whereabouts of the father has a lot to do with the whole responsiblility thing in the first place. Was she raped? Or simply fukkin around? Not enough facts about her past to make a definitive judgement. But given her age, status, and problems good choices do not appear to have been high on her list in the past.

- Peter.

PaulC · #3 08-17-2011, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by kerry

No disagreement from me. The issue is the target--a single mother. It could easily have been argued that the culprit in this case is the father. Here's a single mother taking responsibility, going to school and trying to raise the value of her labor. Where is the father? Why isn't he raising the child while the mother is going to school? Instead sjh decides to deride the mother who appears to be doing everything a person should do to improve their lives and care for her children.

Ah, but she started too late! She should have been in undergraduate school back in her late teens, going to Vassar. Her parents should have been Buick-driving attorneys and her suburban house should have had a white picket fence. Very irresponsible of her for not being in that type of situation, and many on this thread clearly haven't forgotten that we all start out equal in life, with identical opportunities, especially minority women.

chilcutt · #4 08-17-2011, 11:02 AM

This should serve to remind us of the enduring power in cross-cultural responses to global inequality.

At the very least..the situation has given voice to a new responsiveness to the United States' assertion of global legal sovereignty.

tjts1 · #5 08-17-2011, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by pj67coll

That is true. But the nature and whereabouts of the father has a lot to do with the whole responsiblility thing in the first place. Was she raped? Or simply fukkin around? Not enough facts about her past to make a definitive judgement. But given her age, status, and problems good choices do not appear to have been high on her list in the past.

- Peter.

Easy there. We all know which sex is the root of all evil. Do I have to paint a picture here?

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Originally Posted by PaulC

Ah, but she started too late! She should have been in undergraduate school back in her late teens, going to Vassar. Her parents should have been Buick-driving attorneys and her suburban house should have had a white picket fence. Very irresponsible of her for not being in that type of situation, and many on this thread clearly haven't forgotten that we all start out equal in life, with identical opportunities, especially minority women.

Obviously its all her fault and now we must all look down on her for trying to go to school and take care of her child on the limited funds she has. I'm sure glad sjh is ready to judge at the drop of a hat. Too bad he doesn't have the balls to say it to her face.

chilcutt · #6 08-17-2011, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by tjts1

Easy there. We all know which sex is the root of all evil. Do I have to paint a picture here?

Obviously its all her fault and now we must all look down on her for trying to go to school and take care of her child on the limited funds she has. I'm sure glad sjh is ready to judge at the drop of a hat. Too bad he doesn't have the balls to say it to her face.

sjh to my knowledge doesnt know the young lady in question..so saying something about his scrotum is illogical.

Why are you so hostile towards sjh?

sjh · #7 08-17-2011, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by chilcutt

sjh to my knowledge doesnt know the young lady in question..so saying something about his scrotum is illogical.

Why are you so hostile towards sjh?

pretty picture

For 50 years people have been exposed to persuasion by repetition, volume and emotion

it's what they have been taught

when someone states this is my position because of 1, 2, 3

the only response most know is to hold up their picket sign, whether literally or metaphorically, and wave, yell and protest

that's the limit of their ability to discourse

it's what they have been taught - it's not their fault

have no concern for me my friend, with what I have been through this is nothing - thank you though

ahh, the doe-eyed women, you are a wise man

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chilcutt · #8 08-17-2011, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by sjh

pretty picture

For 50 years people have been exposed to persuasion by repetition, volume and emotion

it's what they have been taught

when someone states this is my position because of 1, 2, 3

the only response most know is to hold up their picket sign, whether literally or metaphorically, and wave, yell and protest

that's the limit of their ability to discourse

it's what they have been taught - it's not their fault

when a PhD (I think) humanities professor engages in this method then it is disheartening, not only because it indicates the depths to which the discipline has sunk but also because he teaches this to his students.

have no concern for me my friend, with what I have been through this is nothing - thank you though

ahh, the doe-eyed women, you are a wise man

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The tactic I prefer to use is..'The louder you scream..the higher you jump..the more you pound your chest-the politer I become-You lose your case"

Mr.Kenny · #9 08-17-2011, 12:29 PM

Being a single parent is hard; period.
Today It's not a matter of woulda, coulda, shoulda.

The question is:... What can she do NOW, to have the life she thinks she needs?
What is the picture of success to her? And how does she get there ?

Rhetorical Question: And how does society help adjust her erroneous expectations of the way she thinks 'things should be'.... to a form of reality of the way things are.

sjh · #10 08-17-2011, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by chilcutt

The tactic I prefer to use is..'The louder you scream..the higher you jump..the more you pound your chest-the politer I become-You lose your case"

It's actually been very helpful.

I had been taking high levels of multiple drugs for much of the past year.

I've meet quite a few people that I'd enjoy getting to know better.

The antagonists, particularly the emotion-driven, irrational ones are sort of like sparring in the dojo before a tournament.

It flexes my mind, pushes me sometimes (not often enough, though Honus is fun to engage) and also allows me to acknowledge my errors, make corrections, practice inter-personal skills, and when required to be humble and apologize.

It's somewhat dis-heartening how few others are sufficiently at ease or seeking self-awareness to be able to 'acknowledge errors, make corrections and apologize.'
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kerry · #11 08-17-2011, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by sjh

because he teaches this to his students.
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You really are quite confident in your ignorance.

MTI · #12 08-17-2011, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kerry

You really are quite confident in your ignorance.

Don't forget humility, too.

sjh · #13 08-17-2011, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by kerry

No disagreement from me. The issue is the target--a single mother. It could easily have been argued that the culprit in this case is the father. Here's a single mother taking responsibility, going to school and trying to raise the value of her labor. Where is the father? Why isn't he raising the child while the mother is going to school? Instead sjh decides to deride the mother who appears to be doing everything a person should do to improve their lives and care for her children.

MSNBC put her up as their poster-child - not me

It could have been any sex, any age, any color, any belief-system, etc

they just put up what they believed would be most sympathetic

an example of objective, fact-based, well-reasoned discourse from our media

don't gore me because I linked to their emotional dribble .

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