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Old 09-20-2011, 09:54 PM
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Who gives a crap about the CEO of a company? That's a dumb reason not to use a product. In my opinion.

I'll bet there's some damned farmer out there that I would hate. But I don't ask, I eat.

Same with computers.

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Old 09-20-2011, 10:00 PM
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Who gives a crap about the CEO of a company? That's a dumb reason not to use a product. In my opinion.

I'll bet there's some damned farmer out there that I would hate. But I don't ask, I eat.

Same with computers.
It's the business model I disliked and stated.

Critique me with what I say.

For me, there are very good reasons to not engage in business with a company that has a business model I do not like. Next thing you know they'll control the majority of online content, charge exorbitant prices and restrict what hardware I can use.

Oh, that's right, they already are.
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Old 09-20-2011, 10:02 PM
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Google has the ENTIRE internet in RAM (think about that). It's running on thousands (tens-of-thousands) of PC's running linux.
Google does not have the entire internet in RAM. They do run linux on all of their servers, and a lot of their workstations too.

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Old 09-20-2011, 10:02 PM
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None of the mice I encountered had two buttons.

I worked with my first computer in the '60s, worked on IBM 360 in the 70's, worked for IBM before there were PCs or Macs, have owned over 50 computers and built a number of companies using computers and been a CIO at a start-up.

I'm glad you have used both, prefer Macs and have derision towards those who do not share your perspective. The very limited exposure I've had with Macs have not been productive, I could not find anyone with technical knowledge to help me with the basics and I have a deep dislike of Steve Jobs' business model.

Finally, I am fortunate enough that I can do many things with my machines that most folks don't know about. I neither know if the same level of customization is available with a Mac nor that I wish to relearn 20+ years of accumulated knowledge.
I am sorry your knowledge is so limited when it comes to personal computers. Thats unfortunate but not unexpected for those behind the times. I prefer to have a much more rounded approach to computing and keep my options open. Like I said, I have used both and have a preference. This same experience is shared by many. And there is a reason Apple is now the most valuable company in the world.
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Old 09-20-2011, 10:10 PM
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It's the business model I disliked and stated.

Critique me with what I say.

For me, there are very good reasons to not engage in business with a company that has a business model I do not like. Next thing you know they'll control the majority of online content, charge exorbitant prices and restrict what hardware I can use.

Oh, that's right, they already are.
I guess I should have quoted you directly as the posting in which you mention your dislike for Steve Jobs seems to have miraculously disappeared and so now I cannot refer to it.
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Old 09-20-2011, 10:21 PM
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Google does not have the entire internet in RAM. They do run linux on all of their servers, and a lot of their workstations too.

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I have read that many times, just went to google and find many references.

Please substantiate your claim.

Thanks.
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Old 09-20-2011, 10:28 PM
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I am sorry your knowledge is so limited when it comes to personal computers. Thats unfortunate but not unexpected for those behind the times. I prefer to have a much more rounded approach to computing and keep my options open. Like I said, I have used both and have a preference. This same experience is shared by many. And there is a reason Apple is now the most valuable company in the world.

You continue to be offensive. It's not required nor called for.

I have given experiences and opinions about my discomfort with Macs. I was going to go into greater detail but see that you have no grasp of civility and have little interest in speaking with you.
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Old 09-20-2011, 10:30 PM
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Google has the ENTIRE internet in RAM (think about that). It's running on thousands (tens-of-thousands) of PC's running linux.
No. The index is in RAM.
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Old 09-20-2011, 10:31 PM
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I guess I should have quoted you directly as the posting in which you mention your dislike for Steve Jobs seems to have miraculously disappeared and so now I cannot refer to it.
Sorry. I was writing as you posted. I must have hit the submit button when I thought the preview button. It's happened before. This is what i said.

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... I have a deep dislike of Steve Jobs' business model..
The Apple (Mac) business model is too closed for my comfort. Jobs has learned how to become very wealthy with it but I prefer spending my money with other businesses.

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Old 09-20-2011, 10:33 PM
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No. The index is in RAM.
That's not what the various links say. Do a google search and provide a link to substantiate your claim please.

It is my understanding that ALL content exists in RAM. I'd expect that as organized and structured but capable of instantly accessing and displaying.
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Old 09-20-2011, 10:35 PM
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You continue to be offensive. It's not required nor called for.

I have given experiences and opinions about my discomfort with Macs. I was going to go into greater detail but you see that you have no grasp of civility.
In confused. I am not offensive. I am re-capping what you have already claimed.

1 - You have limited exposure and use of personal computers.

2 - You have even more limited use of Macs.

These are points you have clearly stated.

Since the above are true, by your own words, I am confused as to why you would even participate in this thread since the topic is about Macintosh computers. This would be like me providing feedback about the Wii gaming system which I have only had the opportunity to use once. It would be arrogant and foolish for me to provide an feedback on that console.
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Old 09-20-2011, 10:38 PM
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That's not what the various links say. Do a google search and provide a link to substantiate your claim please.

It is my understanding that ALL content exists in RAM. I'd expect that as organized and structured but capable of instantly accessing and displaying.
I hope you realize that Google is a search engine and NOT the internet itself.

http://www.labnol.org/internet/search/google-query-uses-1000-machines/7433/

"Another significant change was the switch to holding the complete search index in memory, resulting in the use of 1000 machines to handle a single query compared to just 12 previously."
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And of course if all contents where kept in RAM, each machine would not need 2TB of storage and only 16GB or RAM.

Specifications:
In 2002; upwards of 15,000 servers[5] ranging from 533 MHz Intel Celeron to dual 1.4 GHz Intel Pentium III (as of 2003).
One or more 80 GB hard disks per server (2003)
2–4 GB of memory per machine (2004)
A 2005 estimate by Paul Strassmann has 200,000 servers, while unspecified sources claimed this number to be upwards of 450,000 in 2006.
~ 16 GB RAM, 2 TB disk space per machine (2009)
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In confused. I am not offensive. I am re-capping what you have already claimed.

1 - You have limited exposure and use of personal computers.

2 - You have even more limited use of Macs.

These are points you have clearly stated.

Since the above are true, by your own words, I am confused as to why you would even participate in this thread since the topic is about Macintosh computers. This would be like me providing feedback about the Wii gaming system which I have only had the opportunity to use once. It would be arrogant and foolish for me to provide an feedback on that console.
I never said I have limited PC experience, computer experience, HW/SW experience or IT experience. If you read the thread from the begging you would know that.

I responded to the thread because the OP was using a PC and thinking about going to a Mac. I said I tried that and found it awkward. Others have spoken who had different experiences.

Virtually all of these comments have been offered without insulting someone with a different perspective. If this had been allowed to continue as a pleasant exchange I would have continued to have learned some things and some others may have learned a few things from me.

That's the mode of discourse I would prefer.
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Old 09-20-2011, 10:42 PM
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And while they use Linux, as you mentioned, its not the only solution they use.

The software that runs the Google infrastructure includes:[27]
Google Web Server — Custom Linux-based Web server that Google uses for its online services; according to Google, this is not based on Apache.

Storage systems: Google File System and its successor, Colossus[28]
BigTable — structured storage built upon GFS/Colossus[28]
Spanner — planet-scale structured storage system, next generation of BigTable stack[28][8]
Chubby lock service
Borg — job scheduling and monitoring system[29]
MapReduce and Sawzall programming language
Indexing/search systems:
TeraGoogle — Google's large search index (launched in early 2006), designed by Anna Paterson of Cuil fame.[30]
Caffeine (Percolator) — continuous indexing system (launched in 2010).[31]
Google has developed several abstractions which it uses for storing most of its data:[32]
Protocol buffers — "Google's lingua franca for data"[33], a binary serialization format which is widely used within the company.
SSTable (Sorted Strings Table) — a persistent, ordered, immutable map from keys to values, where both keys and values are arbitrary byte strings. It is also used as one of the building blocks of BigTable.[34]
RecordIO — a sequence of variable sized records.[35][32][36

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_platform

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