Overall, there were 1098 cases of Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS) recorded nationwide by CDC surveillance, 532 of which occurred after vaccination and 543 before vaccination.[33] There are about one to two cases of GBS per 100,000 people every year, whether or not people have been vaccinated.[34] The vaccination program seems to have increased this normal risk of developing GBS by about to one extra case per 100,000 vaccinations.[34]

33 ^ Schonberger LB, Bregman DJ, Sullivan-Bolyai JZ et al. (August 1979). "Guillain-Barre syndrome following vaccination in the National Influenza Immunization Program, United States, 1976--1977". American Journal of Epidemiology 110 (2): 105–23. PMID 463869.
^ a b c "General Questions and Answers on Guillain-Barr syndrome". Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. September 14, 2009.

you seem to be off. by a factor of 10. or did i miss something?

and do you know the difference between "live" and "killed" virus vaccines?

(it's not a black and white issue. as you may have heard, in the last few years, the "powers that be" suddenly admitted that:

p.s.a. tests for men are worthless, and lead to unnecessary prostate surgery

mammograms are no longer recommended for women aged 40 to 50

hormone replacement for women is dangerous, and can cause cancer, strokes, etc.

or do you have some "conflicting" data on that too?

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Or something similar.

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Yes, you missed the number of GBS cases that occur regardless of vaccination.

You also missed the ongoing study by Schonberger . . . in 1982 (after the 1979 study you cited) which found

These results suggest that there was no increased risk of acquiring GBS associated with the influenza vaccines administered during these seasons and that the causative "trigger agent" in the A/New Jersey (swine) influenza vaccine administered in 1976 has not been present in subsequent influenza vaccine preparations.


There was a slight increased risk of GBS as a result of a specific vaccine (A/New Jersey) in 1976, but not to that degree since.

This was the first year I had any symptoms of nausea and diarrhea. Wifey reminded me that I had a double dose of Starbucks with loads of half and half. Weird thing is that I used to drink milk like there was no tomorrow when I was young. Became lactose intolerant. HOWEVER, sometimes I escape with no problems and sometimes my stomach is in knots with gas and diarrhea.

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Only after about a pint of cheap-ass vodka.

The two previous years I took flu shots and got sick shortly thereafter. This year I passed.

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

I'm getting the shot next week - if its severe I'll let you know.

The only shot that I has ever done anything to me for more than 8hr was the smallpox vaccination. If you ever have to get one- plan on dying about 4 hrs after the shot and waking up 12 hours later.

-John

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The objective of a vaccine is to induce an immune response in order to build antibodies against a particular virus so your body knows how to fight it. The vaccine was a weakened version of it, synthetic or live (injection verses nasal spray) and your body fought it, and won, and now knows how to more effectively kill that virus.

The degree of fighting your body put up was enough to make you feel ill, which is a standard side effect, especially if you are over 40 or have other health problems. Not calling you old, I had a 24 year old male in my care who got the vaccine and felt like hell for a few days also. It was also 125 degrees out in the shade.

Side effects that I would be concerned about are: Skin rash, fever lasting more then 24hrs, G/I problems, lightheadednes, and death.


~Nate

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and schlonberger works for the .... wait for it.... CDC

also, might want to check this

:Swine Flu: The New Pandemic - Marc Siegel - Google Books

or not. go get your psa test.

quite the follower,eh?

p.s. they do call it a "healthy skepticism".

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Nate is on the money.

The worst reaction I had to a shot was the time I got the drain and fill as an NROTC midshipman. I had typhoid, yellow fever, and a couple other ones I forget. I felt fine for about the first two hours, then felt really really bad for about the next eight-to the point that I was laying in bed unable to do anything but hurt. Then I suddenly started feeling better. The arm I got the typhoid in stayed sore for a couple of days. I've had all the same shots again since then and haven't experienced that type of reaction.

Other than the itchy rash it gives you that takes a while to heal, the smallpox didn't really bother me.

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gee, ever heard of gulf war I syndrome? all those innoculations, and a deet necklace to boot. the defense dept. is still trying to deny that.

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Application of a little commn sense would get one thinking. The flu is contracted through the eyes, nose, mouth. It is not contracted by a hole in the arm. A vaccination against a disease that is contracted through the mucus membranes is safest when given that way. How can one explain that one of the single most effective vaccines is the tetanus shot? And the most long lasting, at that. You get tetanus through a puncture wound. Not the flu. My 2 cents.

Nate is right on the money.

Also, some of you may be having reactions to the stuff it is grown in.. like eggs....

I see few mention in arguing how many die when there are not vaccines for terrible communicable infections or the fact life itself is dangerous..... vaccines have done a lot of good since they were invented.... nothing man made ... or nature made either ..... is perfect... but Dr.s and scientists are working all the time to prevent unnecessary deaths and misery......

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chain elongation, cam marks reference:
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/10414-help-i-need-check-stretch.html

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/305365-9-degrees-chain-stretch.html

evap fin cleaning:

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/156207-photo-step-step-post-showing-w123-evaporator-removal-1983-240d-1982-300td.html?highlight=evaporator

A/C thread

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/297462-c-recommendations-mb-vehicles.html

Breakthrough malaria vaccine tantalizingly close - CNN.com

My father had malaria twice in the South Pacific during WW2 and also Dengue fever ( also called ' break bone' because of the sound made when bending ... you could hear each vertebra pop ) .... In Viet Nam we had big pink pills we were supposed to take everyday to prevent malaria.... they did not help the digestive system.... so many did not take them....
On some fronts we are actually losing the fight against pathogens....

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chain elongation, cam marks reference:
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?threadid=10414

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/305365-9-degrees-chain-stretch.html

evap fin cleaning:

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/156207-photo-step-step-post-showing-w123-evaporator-removal-1983-240d-1982-300td.html?highlight=evaporator

A/C thread

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/297462-c-recommendations-mb-vehicles.html

I skip flu shots.

I received the swine flu shot, (no choice, was in the navy, get the shot or don't get paid) boy did I react.

Haven't been bed ridden since.

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