That wasn't clarification, actually had a good bit of confusion and misinformation added to the mix.

I can agree with what you said about fiber, BMR and few other things but all in all you have a long way to go on understanding how your body works. I suspect you are still living on your youth and that lets you get by.

Consider the possibility that the information that you got was directed toward your weight lifting efforts and may not be useful to most of the population who are not weight lifters. Most of the official advice on diet is debatable and clear information is very difficult to find. What works for one person is not necessarily the best for another.

Master cleanse and Atkins are very misunderstood and shouldn't be commented on by people who have not read the source materials. I don't think that either one is a good place to start and should be fully understood before anyone tries to use them.

BMI is not a crock for most people and I'm betting that your waistline was larger than it should have been even when you thought you were in the peak of your health.

BTW, I read that Master Cleanse is actually a ketogenic diet. Didn't go back yet to follow up but I can see it is possible.

You are right I am stating it from the position of someone who regularly gets strenuous exercise. It doesn't make the principles invalid however, and there are numerous source documents available via the internet and academic resources (if you have those available). I would like to see, outside of a keto diet where eating large amounts of fat is healthy except in rare and unusual circumstances.

I admit I don't know much about "master cleanse", I thought it was sort of like a long term colon flow commercial because there are a ton of those "diets" out there. THOSE are not healthy.

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The worst part of the fat seems to be all of the fat soluble chemicals. Modified fats are neck and neck for that position though and both are best avoided. Some fats pass through the cell wall and so are often the delivery mechanism for drugs and hormones. Steroids are part of this line of information. Good clean fat should be part of your diet but within reason. Actually our brains have a lot of cholesterol naturally. They don't tell you that when they are trying to prescribe anti-cholesterol drugs.

Most of the Keto diets are not super high in fats if you play them right. At first, back in the 70's, Dr. Atkins didn't seem to understand what fiber was. His later work was much better.

THC?

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Agreed on all points!

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First, I don't think the BMI index is accurate for all people. I sort of works for me and my frame size. I'm roughly 5' 11" to 6 ft. I do stand behind that you can cut to much calories out, and your body will rebel. I do agree that fiber is part of the equation. It helps pull out toxins etc. Part of the problem is that a lot of foods are nutrient deficient. So, your body is hungry till you eat enough to supply the viatmins, minerals etc. you need. I do take some vitamin suppliments etc. That gets tricky, as to the types, bioavailabilty etc.
I am more in the Blood type diet camp. There are some other influences, like Dr. Mark Hymen and some others. Keeping toxins out, and getting rid of them ones that get in. Its a big challange in todays enviroment.
Tom

It's not. I'll give you an example. In 1970, when Arnold Schwarzenegger starred in Hercules in New York, he weighed about 250 lbs. At 6' 2", that give him a BMI of 32 or OBESE. Did he look obese to you in that film?

A shot-putter acquaintance of mine in college summed it up nicely, if not completely accurately: "BMI is only accurate for people who've never lifted a weight in their lives."

True. The diet I'm on now is not so great from a micronutrient perspective. However, the original intent was to be on it for seven days, and it takes a lot longer than that for diseases of nutritional deficiency to set in.

I looked those up. The founder of the blood type diet thinks I should eat tofu and do yoga. (long pause in typing while I finish laughing) I think Hymen is mixing some good general advice with hocus pocus.

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They can't seem to figure out my BMI, because my penis accounts for 25% of my body weight.

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Reading the specs on some of you folks pre-post-weightloss, I'm just one, sorry, bago'$h!+!!!

But...things are looking up...

Around the 29th of August, I decided to "cold-turkey" the "DEW" and start myself on a self-imposed weight-loss program.

Why?

At 5' 5" (± 0.5") and 297lbs. (digital scale, unfortunately...accurate), life was beginning to suck...and my knees weren't enjoying the daily pounding (pun...sorry!) of moving forward/backward/couch-ward on a day-to-day basis. And cutting out the item of my self-inflicted-style-of-demise was the logical first place to start...

And what was that method?

I quit drinking mass-quantities of alcohol (I MIGHT HAVE, maybe, one-two beers every other month or so...) back around the time of the '82 World Series, so my alternative "drink of choice" became the "DEW" of television/radio fame.

And it's proven to be JUST TOO MUCH SUGAR/HIGH-FRUCTOSE SYRUP for anyone to consume on anything that would resemble a normal day...let alone on a regular basis...

I can't even begin to tell you how much/day I was consuming...but water was a DISTANCE 2nd to it.

Now, since that wonderful day back in August, I've gone from 297#s, down to 244#s and it's all due to just switching from the "sirens' song of drink" to the regular tap-water I'm drinking in place of the sugar'd crap.

I've had some lemonade/Gatorade-style drinks during the earlier stage of time (used as a "weaning-agent") during the initial days of dumping the "DEW" from the daily intake. (Ashamedly, the "DEW" was, sometimes, the ONLY intake.)

A side-bar to the "de-DEWing?"

I've also lost the taste/craving for anything MickeyDs'-related (regardless whether it's the "King"/"Star"/"KFC" or whatever...).

When will I, eventually, hit the "Michaelangeloic-David-type" state?

Never...

But, staying away from the "DEW" (and its devil-spawned brethren) is a decent start...

(Did I just hear the sound of PEPSICO/YUM-branded stock tanking?)

(Only my digital scale will know for sure!)

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.'76 - 450SLC - 107.024.12 / < .89.20 K
..'77 - 280E - 123.033.12 / > 128.20 K
...'67 - El Camino - 283ci / > 207.00 K
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Yeah, steriods tend to skew things.
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