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MS Fowler · #46 11-10-2011, 04:27 PM

Does anyone know why this indictment is for acts committed so long ago? Why did they not bring it YEARS ago, and save some of the victims?

aklim · #47 11-10-2011, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

Does anyone know why this indictment is for acts committed so long ago? Why did they not bring it YEARS ago, and save some of the victims?

I think it came to a head on 2008 according to the timeline

Sandusky abuse claims date back to 1994, grand jury says - CNN.com

2006 or 2007 -- A wrestling coach at the high school where Sandusky was volunteering allegedly surprises Sandusky and the boy "lying on their sides, in physical contact, face to face on a mat" in a cramped weight room. Sandusky jumps to his feet and told the coach the two were just working on wrestling moves, the coach later recalls in grand jury testimony. As time goes on, Sandusky allegedly begins to spend more time with the boy, taking him to sporting events and giving him gifts, including golf clubs, a computer, cash and clothes. During this period, according to the grand jury report, Sandusky allegedly performs oral sex on the boy more than 20 times, and the boy performs oral sex on him once.

2008 -- The boy breaks off contact with Sandusky. Later, his mother calls the high school to report her son had been sexually assaulted and the principal bars Sandusky from campus and reports the incident to police. In grand jury testimony, the principal, Steven Turchetta, recalls Sandusky's behavior as suspicious, and said Sandusky was often "clingy" and "needy" when a student no longer wanted to spend time with him. The ensuing investigation reveals 118 calls from Sandusky's home and cell phone numbers to the boy's home.

tbomachines · #48 11-10-2011, 04:41 PM

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I sure wouldn't bet any money that everyone agrees with you as related to the first part of your fourth paragraph. That's the saddest thing of all. There might be one wishing he was joining them in that shower.

I forgot step 8: maintain homophobic persona by cracking an incredibly distasteful joke about a real crime involving real victims.

I am being light with "distasteful", especially someone who claims to be morally right and preaches constantly about how everyone else is "wrong". You sure are a great example!

Back on topic, I am with Suginami, absolutely sickening how this guy just let that happen and barely did anything. Its not like those were two grown men canoodling (I would guess doing that in a locker room shower is probably against the rules too?), this was nonconsensual ABUSE of a young child. And the guy just walks away...should walk right into prison.

Can't Know · #49 11-10-2011, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

Does anyone know why this indictment is for acts committed so long ago? Why did they not bring it YEARS ago, and save some of the victims?

Here's part of the reason:
DA who didn't charge Sandusky missing since '05 - US news - Crime & courts - msnbc.com

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But it is even stranger that we cannot ask Gricar why Sandusky was not put behind bars because the tough-as-nails district attorney disappeared in 2005. And though he was declared dead July of this year, his body has never been found.

t walgamuth · #50 11-10-2011, 05:35 PM

Maybe Sandusky killed him.

Sorry for this tasteless attempt at humor.

.;...unless it turns out to be true.

aklim · #51 11-10-2011, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by tbomachines

And the guy just walks away...should walk right into prison.

If the article is right, maybe he didn't.

He has said under oath that he saw Sandusky raping what appeared to be a 10-year-old boy. He immediately left, met with his father and determined he would report the incident to Paterno, according to prosecutors. A person familiar with his account said McQueary did not spare the details when he met with Paterno. Nor did he when he met with the university’s athletic director and another senior administrator, the man in charge of Penn State’s campus police.

IF that is correct he did report it to the campus police in a sense.

aklim · #52 11-10-2011, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

Maybe Sandusky killed him.

Sorry for this tasteless attempt at humor.

.;...unless it turns out to be true.

I'll bite. So where is the body? With Jimmy Hoffa

Can't Know · #53 11-10-2011, 05:57 PM

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But we do have the Grand Jury Presentment. The entire document in pdf form is on MSNBC right now.

It's very graphic and precise.

Why so much concern about the rush to judgement of Paterno?

Where is your outrage about the victims?

Paterno and other officials at Penn State did the absolute minimum.

The red-headed guy, McQueary, then a graduate assistant, witnessed Sandusky’s rape of a young boy in a shower room of the football facility in 2002. He witnessed the 10 year old being anally raped.

And not only did he not stop it, he left. Just skedaddled. Think about that for a minute. A kid is getting assaulted, and with a hopeful heart he sees someone who might be able to help him. And the guy leaves.

I never said I was not outraged about the victims and I'll thank you not to make assumptions about me. I've said more than once that child molestation is a horrible crime.

I had not seen the GJ summary, thank you for noting it was online. For others who would like to review it, it is here: http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/NEWS/Sandusky.pdf

Reading that, it seems that Sandusky really is little more than scum, or the scum that scum insults and craps on. Indeed, he set up a foundation to help disadvantaged young boys, which seems to be where he got most of his victims.

As to Paterno, this is the salient passage:

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Joseph V. Paterno testified to receiving the graduate assistant's report at his home on a Saturday morning. Paterno testfied that the graduate assistant was very upset. Paterno called Tim Curley ("Curley"), Penn State Athletic Director and Paterno's immediate superior, to his home the very next day, a Sunday, and reported to him that the graduate assistant had seen Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy.

Since that summarizes Paterno's own testimony, then I would conclude that he had a meaningful reason to know what occurred, and I would also agree that he had a greater duty to follow up to ensure that an appropriate investigation occurred, and if that included reporting what he had heard to the police, then he should have done so. Legally he was in the clear, but morally, wow, did he fail.

Of course when you read the GJ summary, you'll also find out that the police ignored some of the later reports, too. Indeed, it seems likely that had Paterno called the police, it would have been the University Police, who had four years EARLIER closed an investigation as to the sixth victim:

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When Victim 6 was dropped off at home, his hair was wet and his mother immediately questioned him about this and was upset to learn the boy had showered with Sandusky. She reported the incident to University Police who investigated. After a lengthy investigation by University Police Detective Ronald Shreffler, the investigation was closed after then-Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar decided there would be no criminal charges. Shreffler testified that he was told to close the investigation by the director of the campus police, Thomas Harmon.

It's deplorable that everyone treated this internally. Even the mother: why didn't she call the state police or even her local police department? Why call the university police (doesn't everyone pretty much regard them as little more than rent-a-cops anyway)?

All of that said, had Paterno followed up in 2002 when the incident was reported to him, it wouldn't have spared any of the other victims. All 8 were into the Sandusky abuse scheme by then anyway.

Overall, the GJ summary is really, really sad. There is more than enough blame to go around. Indeed, it seems like Penn State's culture nearly parrots the catholic church regarding pedophile priests...but don't get me started on that.

davidmash · #54 11-10-2011, 05:58 PM

I am not really following this story as I have little interest in sports but something I did notice while watching the news today was the lack of coverage regarding the victims. Everyone was concerned about the Coach(s) and tbe players and the games. What about the kids li es that have been affected for the rest of their lives? How about a riot for them?

suginami · #55 11-10-2011, 06:29 PM

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Overall, the GJ summary is really, really sad. There is more than enough blame to go around. Indeed, it seems like Penn State's culture nearly parrots the catholic church regarding pedophile priests...but don't get me started on that.

You got that right.

I don't see how these guys can put the reputation of the institution above the protection of children.

It seems more than anything else, the protection of children should be paramount.

aklim · #56 11-10-2011, 06:41 PM

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You got that right.

I don't see how these guys can put the reputation of the institution above the protection of children.

It seems more than anything else, the protection of children should be paramount.

Perhaps they are trying to put their own personal reputation above others.

MTI · #57 11-10-2011, 06:45 PM

Medal of Freedom Award Nomination Recinded for Paterno

Sens. Bob Casey and Pat Toomey today rescinded their nomination of long-time Penn State football coach Joe Paterno to receive the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

Casey and Toomey nominated Paterno for the nation`s highest civilian honor Sept. 7 to recognize him for amassing more wins than any coach in Division I history during his 45-year tenure.

I think only "Bear" Bryant and John Wooden are the only sports figures whose careers coaching have been awarded the medal.

suginami · #58 11-10-2011, 06:55 PM

This is the saddest part to me. The kid is being raped, someone walks in, and he hopes he might be saved, and the guy walks away.

“The graduate assistant, who was familiar with Sandusky, was going to put some newly purchased sneakers in his locker and get some recruiting tapes to watch. It was about 9:30 p.m. As the graduate assistant entered the locker room doors, he was surprised to find the lights and showers on. He then heard rhythmic, slapping sounds. He believed the sounds to be those of sexual activity. As the graduate assistant put the sneakers in his locker, he looked into the shower. He saw a naked boy, Victim 2, whose age he estimated to be ten years old, with his hands up against the wall, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky. The graduate assistant was shocked but noticed that both Victim 2 and Sandusky saw him. The graduate assistant left immediately, distraught.”

aklim · #59 11-10-2011, 07:04 PM

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This is the saddest part to me. The kid is being raped, someone walks in, and he hopes he might be saved, and the guy walks away.

“The graduate assistant, who was familiar with Sandusky, was going to put some newly purchased sneakers in his locker and get some recruiting tapes to watch. It was about 9:30 p.m. As the graduate assistant entered the locker room doors, he was surprised to find the lights and showers on. He then heard rhythmic, slapping sounds. He believed the sounds to be those of sexual activity. As the graduate assistant put the sneakers in his locker, he looked into the shower. He saw a naked boy, Victim 2, whose age he estimated to be ten years old, with his hands up against the wall, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky. The graduate assistant was shocked but noticed that both Victim 2 and Sandusky saw him. The graduate assistant left immediately, distraught.”

Moral of the story is "When the chips are down, there is only one person you can count on to protect you. That same guy you see in the bathroom mirror.".

Can't Know · #60 11-10-2011, 07:04 PM

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Jerry Sandusky, a former defensive coordinator under Paterno, has been charged with sexually abusing eight young boys over a 15-year-period. According to findings laid out by state investigators, only two Penn State employees were known to have witnessed Sandusky committing a sex crime: a janitor, who now has dementia and is not competent to testify, and McQueary.

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According to the report, McQueary heard “rhythmic, slapping sounds,” which he believed to be those of sexual activity. He walked to his locker, opened it and put his sneakers inside. He then turned his head and looked into the shower.
He has said under oath that he saw Sandusky raping what appeared to be a 10-year-old boy. He immediately left, met with his father and determined he would report the incident to Paterno, according to prosecutors. A person familiar with his account said McQueary did not spare the details when he met with Paterno. Nor did he when he met with the university’s athletic director and another senior administrator, the man in charge of Penn State’s campus police.
Weeks later, according to state prosecutors, those officials told McQueary that Sandusky had been barred from bringing children onto campus.
To date, it is unclear whether McQueary was satisfied or outraged. But there is no evidence that he did anything else to see Sandusky more meaningfully investigated or punished.

What he did do was continue his climb up the ranks of Paterno’s coaching staff.

From this article: NYT: Paterno aide engulfed in Penn St. case - US news - The New York Times - msnbc.com