Bahrain F1 Controversy, cancel the race? - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

Marrs · #1 04-19-2012, 09:33 PM

We just posted this article up on out blog, and curious what you guys think? Would you continue to support a race series that so clearly ignores the reality of suffering for these protestors who want nothing more than the democracy we enjoy? Should the race be cancelled? Are teams and drivers at risk?

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chilcutt · #2 04-20-2012, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Marrs

We just posted this article up on out blog, and curious what you guys think? Would you continue to support a race series that so clearly ignores the reality of suffering for these protestors who want nothing more than the democracy we enjoy? Should the race be cancelled? Are teams and drivers at risk?

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Have the race. A race is not going to have any effect on the outcome of the people living there.

Democracy is up to the Government, and the people..not Bernie Eccelstone.

Also: IMHO you are making a political statement, as well as distorting the facts by framing your question '...clearly ignores the reality of suffering...'

Nothing more than a troll.

Race should be held.

Drivers are not at risk.

davidmash · #3 04-20-2012, 12:46 AM

I have no idea what the rules are for F1 as I do not watch any sports but if I were a driver or a team owner I would not be going. I think by participating they are giving tacit approval. At some point people need to what is right and not follow the all mighty dollar. Let Bahrain throw a party. It does not mean anyone has to show up.

Marrs · #4 04-20-2012, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by chilcutt

Also: IMHO you are making a political statement, as well as distorting the facts by framing your question '...clearly ignores the reality of suffering...'

Nothing more than a troll.

My friend, in the US I am ALLOWED to make a political statement, and that is exactly what I am doing, I simply wanted to hear other opinions. I would love for the people of Bahrain to be able to make similar political statements without being jailed.

As stated in the article, F1 is putting their teams in danger, but the exposure of holding the race may very well be the best thing for the population, by pointing a finger at the abuses.

Pavka007 · #5 04-20-2012, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Marrs

My friend, in the US I am ALLOWED to make a political statement, and that is exactly what I am doing, I simply wanted to hear other opinions. I would love for the people of Bahrain to be able to make similar political statements without being jailed.

As stated in the article, F1 is putting their teams in danger, but the exposure of holding the race may very well be the best thing for the population, by pointing a finger at the abuses.

No you are NOT allowed to make a political statement on this board. Read the rules and if you don't like them go home. When you joined the site you agree with the rules, so get off your horse and obey or go home.

elchivito · #6 04-20-2012, 03:03 PM

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No you are NOT allowed to make a political statement on this board. Read the rules and if you don't like them go home. When you joined the site you agree with the rules, so get off your horse and obey or go home.

Can you please point to the rule that says "No political statements are allowed" or any words remotely similar? Regular posters take political positions all the time here. Political threads often dominate the first page. If all of us commenting in those threads aren't making political statements, what are we doing? If we are, how come we aren't all banned or infracted to pieces or something?

chilcutt · #7 04-20-2012, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Marrs

My friend, in the US I am ALLOWED to make a political statement, and that is exactly what I am doing, I simply wanted to hear other opinions. I would love for the people of Bahrain to be able to make similar political statements without being jailed.

As stated in the article, F1 is putting their teams in danger, but the exposure of holding the race may very well be the best thing for the population, by pointing a finger at the abuses.

Lets break this down to Seseme St level.

First of all, you do realise that the people who are protesting are the Shii'tes?
And that the Shii'te community harbors the Islamic Extremist's?
And that the Shii'tes are wishing to demonstrate on Sunni turf?
And that the Sunni's are in favor of a Democratic society free of brutal dictatorship?
And that the Sunni's are not opposed to the Shii'tes demonstrating..just as long as they do not demonstrate on Sunni land.?

Do you know all of these things?

I cannot proceed with you until I am very clear as to your knowledge of the area, and it's peoples.

My advice for you is to choose very selectivly which horse you put your money on.

Also, I could care less about the article you posted..it is not conclusive, and definately holds an agenda based on the authors interpretation/understanding.

It is also slanted, and nothing more than a mis-informed troll.

Yes, I would hope that coverage of the race brings the area attention. Objective attention that clearly states who are the good guys. And who are the good guys.

The race will go on as planned. No drivers or crew members are at a major risk.
The race will move to the next venue.

And the Shii'tes and the Sunni's will continue the conflict they have been having since around 600 A.D.

Stoney · #8 04-20-2012, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by chilcutt

Lets break this down to Seseme St level.

First of all, you do realise that the people who are protesting are the Shii'tes?
And that the Shii'te community harbors the Islamic Extremist's?
And that the Shii'tes are wishing to demonstrate on Sunni turf?
And that the Sunni's are in favor of a Democratic society free of brutal dictatorship?
And that the Sunni's are not opposed to the Shii'tes demonstrating..just as long as they do not demonstrate on Sunni land.?

Do you know all of these things?

I cannot proceed with you until I am very clear as to your knowledge of the area, and it's peoples.

My advice for you is to choose very selectivly which horse you put your money on.

Also, I could care less about the article you posted..it is not conclusive, and definately holds an agenda based on the authors interpretation/understanding.

It is also slanted, and nothing more than a mis-informed troll.

Yes, I would hope that coverage of the race brings the area attention. Objective attention that clearly states who are the good guys. And who are the good guys.

The race will go on as planned. No drivers or crew members are at a major risk.
The race will move to the next venue.

And the Shii'tes and the Sunni's will continue the conflict they have been having since around 600 A.D.

I agree. Well put.

Marrs · #9 04-20-2012, 09:38 PM

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No drivers or crew members are at a major risk.

Not true, two members of Force India left the country after their vehicles were involved in a firebombing incident, that is "major risk" where I come from.
F1 team members leave Bahrain after firebomb

engatwork · #10 04-20-2012, 09:48 PM

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Do you know all of these things?

First I had heard all that. I take it the Bahrain gov't is not Sunni?

Marrs · #11 04-20-2012, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by chilcutt

Lets break this down to Seseme St level.

First of all, you do realise that the people who are protesting are the Shii'tes?
And that the Shii'te community harbors the Islamic Extremist's?
And that the Shii'tes are wishing to demonstrate on Sunni turf?
And that the Sunni's are in favor of a Democratic society free of brutal dictatorship?
And that the Sunni's are not opposed to the Shii'tes demonstrating..just as long as they do not demonstrate on Sunni land.?

Forgive me, but let's keep this a civil discussion. If you can cease with the childish insults (sesame street level, a troll, go home, etc.) and just reply like an adult we can further this discussion. Insulting those with whom you disagree only makes you look ignorant and your words will not carry the intended weight if diluted by such vitriol.

Your logic is faulty to those who reside in genuine democracies, (and I am not saying your country of Singapore is not, just that Bahrain is not) it is irrelevant what religion they assume, and that one group should be banned from protesting "on the land" of another group, do you realize how small Bahrain is? The entire country is only about 4x the size of Washington DC. We do not expect that Democrats cannot protest on Republican "land", or that the ruling party gets to make all the rules, it doesn't matter who is in charge, that's the whole issue here, a subset of people being relegated to secondary citizen status with no assurance that their voice is being heard. A country is made stronger by diversity and multi-culturalism, we are a nation of immigrants in the US so perhaps it is a cultural difference. I am clearly not going to convince you otherwise, but I thank you for your input.

chilcutt · #12 04-22-2012, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Marrs

My friend, in the US I am ALLOWED to make a political statement, and that is exactly what I am doing, I simply wanted to hear other opinions. I would love for the people of Bahrain to be able to make similar political statements without being jailed.

As stated in the article, F1 is putting their teams in danger, but the exposure of holding the race may very well be the best thing for the population, by pointing a finger at the abuses.

Dont go chasing waterfall's.

Please stick to the river's and the lake's that you're used to.

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layback40 · #13 04-20-2012, 03:18 AM

Hmmmm,
For some reason this sounds a lot like South Africa in years gone by. Then it was other sports.
If the right security is in place for the event, best F1 stays out of local politics regardless of the problem.
On this one I agree with my friend in Singapore.

If its so important to some, maybe they should stop buying petrol or oil.
I believe the F1 runs on Bio-fuel !!

chilcutt · #14 04-20-2012, 12:22 PM

I will add: 'Cancelling the race-will empower the Extremist's'.

Agent Mike · #15 04-20-2012, 12:54 PM

To Cancel the race would be allowing this "Sport" to align with this political movement. The political will of the people is to be determined by the people and their goverment. F1 should remain out of politics. Unless their is objective evidence that harm could come to the race teams and their drivers, the race should go on.....