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Old 05-08-2012, 11:57 AM
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There has been only one case in Texas where voter fraud has been alleged. Several people have been arrested and indicted.

Details are here: Seven indicted for voter fraud in RUD election - Your Houston News: The Woodlands Villager: News

Many sources, including the Defendants themselves, have alluded to the possibility that all of the indicted are strong supporters of the Tea Party.

The gist of the matter is that very few voters were expected in this election which would elect members of a Rural Utilities District. The RUD decides on the amount of taxes to levy and if an RUD can join in with other RUD's or a city. In The Woodlands only businesses are taxes on property and not homeowners, and the RUD has the power to change this.

Just a few votes would be needed to throw the election, so these guys are supposed to have stepped up to the plate and committed voter fraud.

At least that is what the Attorney General of Texas is alleging. A trial is yet to be held.

The voting in question took place over a year ago, but the Republican Attorney General of Texas took a long time before bringing any charges. The rumor going 'round is that the Defendants bragged to a number of people about what they did and this sort of forced his hand on the matter, but that is just a rumor. It could be the Attorney General was too busy looking for other cases of voter fraud but finally gave up since there don't appear to be any.

I am sure all the facts about this will come out during the trials.
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Old 05-08-2012, 12:01 PM
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And......

All of those accused of voter fraud in this instance would have had no trouble producing an ID, and yet they are alleged by the State of Texas to have committed the Felony of Voter Fraud.

So this whole voter ID thing works to prevent voter fraud?

Nope.
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Old 05-08-2012, 12:54 PM
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There has been only one case in Texas where voter fraud has been alleged. Several people have been arrested and indicted.


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In Texas, evidence of voter fraud abounds. In recent years, my office has secured more than 50 voter fraud convictions. Those include a woman who voted in place of her dead mother, a political operative who cast ballots for two people, and a city councilmember who registered foreign nationals to vote in an election decided by 19 votes. Voter fraud is hard to detect, so cases like these are just the tip of the iceberg.
In Texas, evidence of voter fraud abounds
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Old 05-08-2012, 01:30 PM
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I love the part that you quoted:
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In Texas, evidence of voter fraud abounds. In recent years, my office has secured more than 50 voter fraud convictions. Those include a woman who voted in place of her dead mother, a political operative who cast ballots for two people, and a city councilmember who registered foreign nationals to vote in an election decided by 19 votes. Voter fraud is hard to detect, so cases like these are just the tip of the iceberg. [emphasis added]
Tip of the iceberg, my butt. He claims 50 convictions, but only cites 3 cases where more stringent identification requirements would have made any difference. This is typical of voter fraud arguments. They raise the specter of people voting multiple times and voting for dead people, but then the overwhelming majority of the cases they cite have nothing to do with voter impersonation fraud. He says that voter fraud is hard to detect. Really? I would think that multiple votes by the same voter or votes by dead people would show up every time. Maybe now and then an imposter will get lucky and pick someone who is alive, registered to vote, and not likely to show up at the polls, but I find it hard to believe that people would concoct schemes based on such shaky assumptions. Abbott is full of baloney.

I still haven't read the article in the OP. Maybe it will cite evidence we haven't already seen.
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Old 05-08-2012, 03:56 PM
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And an even minor reading of Abbot's claims show he has inflated his figures by about 100%.

So far Abbot has 26 real convictions. Not bad for a six year period during which 24,000,000 votes were cast.

That means that .00000108333 of one percent were found guilty of voter fraud.

But in the Montgomery County, Texas, RUD election there were only 12 votes cast, and 7 of them are now thought to be the result of Voter Fraud. Based on this number the percentage of fake votes in this election is 58%, so yes, it appears there is a problem with voter fraud in some parts of Texas.

By the way, the trial of the 'RUD 7' begins on September 17th.
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Old 05-08-2012, 04:12 PM
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And an even minor reading of Abbot's claims show he has inflated his figures by about 100%.

So far Abbot has 26 real convictions. Not bad for a six year period during which 24,000,000 votes were cast.

That means that .00000108333 of one percent were found guilty of voter fraud.

But in the Montgomery County, Texas, RUD election there were only 12 votes cast, and 7 of them are now thought to be the result of Voter Fraud. Based on this number the percentage of fake votes in this election is 58%, so yes, it appears there is a problem with voter fraud in some parts of Texas.

By the way, the trial of the 'RUD 7' begins on September 17th.
Regardless, its more than one case.

I read somewhere Obama was all for voter ID. I guess his internal polling has made him change his mind.
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Old 05-08-2012, 04:25 PM
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...I read somewhere Obama was all for voter ID...
No dice on that one, unless you can provide a link.
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Old 05-08-2012, 04:38 PM
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No dice on that one, unless you can provide a link.
Ah.....meant to say he couldn't win with it, sorry.
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Old 05-08-2012, 07:33 PM
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An editorial by Greg Abbott, the Attorney General for Texas?

Check his math:

PolitiFact | Abbott touts 50 election fraud convictions; we subtract 29

He claims 50 convictions since 2002. He's spent millions of dollars pursuing this. He formed a special unit just to combat voter fraud.

Reality: 26 convictions, miscellaneous other results.

Evidence of fraud abounds in Texas, all right.
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Old 05-08-2012, 10:52 PM
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An editorial by Greg Abbott, the Attorney General for Texas?

Check his math:

PolitiFact | Abbott touts 50 election fraud convictions; we subtract 29

He claims 50 convictions since 2002. He's spent millions of dollars pursuing this. He formed a special unit just to combat voter fraud.

Reality: 26 convictions, miscellaneous other results.

Evidence of fraud abounds in Texas, all right.

YAK...YAK...YAK.....than you for proving and supporting my point, like the original OP said, there was only one case of voter fraud in Tx and they said it hadn't been adjucated yet......so I must humbly thank you for supporting my point.
I love you man....
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