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Old 05-08-2012, 06:49 PM
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As long as they're American citizens, and reside within the jurisdiction of the polling place, dammit we just have to let them in. Even the Democrats...
How do you know they're American citizens? How do you know where they live?

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Old 05-08-2012, 07:33 PM
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An editorial by Greg Abbott, the Attorney General for Texas?

Check his math:

PolitiFact | Abbott touts 50 election fraud convictions; we subtract 29

He claims 50 convictions since 2002. He's spent millions of dollars pursuing this. He formed a special unit just to combat voter fraud.

Reality: 26 convictions, miscellaneous other results.

Evidence of fraud abounds in Texas, all right.
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Old 05-08-2012, 07:49 PM
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I have no such evidence, other than anecdotal. However, I do not suppose that it does not exist. Nor do I understand why obtaining and using ID would be so difficult or fear inducing for a legal citizen, who on every other day before and after election day, circulates in society as a free citizen.
Here are some non-anecdotal reasons why it's hard to get. Texas is a big state under budget constraints. Some counties are so sparsely populated that it's not cost effective to have a driver's license office in the county so they closed them, so you have to travel to another county. Since you don't have a current driver's license, that means someone has to drive you. That's a round trip for two, on a work day, of a few hundred miles in order to get an ID recognized by the new state law.

You could argue that another form of legal photo ID should suffice, as was done in the TX legislature, but they specifically EXCLUDED student ID's from Texas universities and tribal IDs from Native American tribes (recognized by DHS to board airplanes, though) when they ADDED the Texas Concealed Handgun License as a valid form of ID for voting.

The current law requires you to show your voter card - which is mailed to your home of record - or, if you don't have that, THEN you show a photo ID and the they match you against the rolls.

So people who were registered, had voted in the past, and who have current valid photo IDs valid for nearly every purpose except voting now need to get a new ID.

Or they can simply claim a religious belief in not having your picture taken and vote anyway without a photo ID.

I think it's a great law and a wonderful use of the millions of dollars spent on drafting, defending, advertising the new rules, and disrupting the electoral schedule just to possibly reduce the likelihood of one person voting in place of her dead mother - in which case she probably looked like her mom's photo anyway.

It's not like they could have looked at absentee ballot fraud, or something. Gotta spot impersonation at the polls!
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Old 05-08-2012, 08:27 PM
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Seems like a comprehensive plan to steal elections is in place. Some of this may be over-reach, but the author documents his allegations. Still, I do not see an answer to the criticism often posted here concerning the number required to affect an election and the penalties for voter fraud. Perhaps the penalties do not matter because they are rarely enforced. I can't remember hearing prosecution of voter fraud cases.

The Left?s National Vote Fraud Strategy Exposed
Are you kidding me?

Documents his allegations?!? Did you look at them objectively? Did you seek out possible alternative explanations for what he cites as facts or evidence? Just because someone says "according to..." it's not documentation. This about as one-sided a hack job as can possibly exist.

It's comical. ACORN! ACORN! ACORN! I think there was bet to see how many times he could put that in the piece.

Here's the summary: There's a liberal/progressive/socialistic/KGB-like nationwide plot! In order to fight back you need to join our decent, freedom-loving, American nationwide plot, err, I mean, group!

Don't listen to the left-wing echo chamber - they lie! Sign up for fair, accurate and unbiased reporting (see, it says that in the title, so it must true) from our conservative, freedom-loving websites from the clarion of truth!

This is the lead paragraph from a site that touts (and I'm not kidding) "fairness, balance and accuracy" in its reporting. Man, I'd hate to see a biased report from these guys.

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This report reveals the Left’s vote fraud strategy for the 2012 elections. Like a KGB operation, it is thorough, multi-faceted and redundant. It has overt and covert, illegal and legal elements, the latter of which are designed, at least in part, to facilitate illegal activities later. It is a deliberate, premeditated, comprehensive plan to win the 2012 presidential election at all costs, and is in keeping with the organizational methods, associations and ethics of the Community-Organizer-in-Chief, Barack Obama.
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Old 05-08-2012, 08:29 PM
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Why not just ask people if they're qualified instead of all of this rigamarole. I mean, nobody would lie and try to conceal anything, would they?
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Oh I want to stay here; I just want to push the availability of voting privileges back to about the year 1800. Absent that, I just want to become a Republican...
If you become a Republican, you can vote for Willard who everybody knows will be the new Conservative salvation for America. If you have any doubts, you can just ask him..........he'll tell you.
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Old 05-08-2012, 08:55 PM
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How do you know they're American citizens? How do you know where they live?
Well, we can have them show some ID...
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Old 05-08-2012, 09:04 PM
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If you become a Republican, you can vote for Willard who everybody knows will be the new Conservative salvation for America. If you have any doubts, you can just ask him..........he'll tell you.
I do not think you will hear much of the "C" word coming from the Romney camp from now on.


What's with all this "Willard" crap? Its like someone turned a switch and, right on cue, a whole bunch of guys start calling him Willard--like talking points or something.
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If you become a Republican, you can vote for Willard who everybody knows will be the new Conservative salvation for America. If you have any doubts, you can just ask him..........he'll tell you.
Sorry, but the name Willard reminds me of an old movie about a nest of vicious rodents, and I don't mean the Palins...
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Old 05-08-2012, 09:14 PM
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I do not think you will hear much of the "C" word coming from the Romney camp from now on.


What's with all this "Willard" crap? Its like someone turned a switch and, right on cue, a whole bunch of guys start calling him Willard--like talking points or something.
What day is it?


I like "Willard". It's got a nice ring to it. Much better than "Mitt".
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Old 05-08-2012, 09:15 PM
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I mean, nobody would lie and try to conceal anything, would they?
No, nobody would lie. Everybody tells the truth.
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An editorial by Greg Abbott, the Attorney General for Texas?

Check his math:

PolitiFact | Abbott touts 50 election fraud convictions; we subtract 29

He claims 50 convictions since 2002. He's spent millions of dollars pursuing this. He formed a special unit just to combat voter fraud.

Reality: 26 convictions, miscellaneous other results.

Evidence of fraud abounds in Texas, all right.

YAK...YAK...YAK.....than you for proving and supporting my point, like the original OP said, there was only one case of voter fraud in Tx and they said it hadn't been adjucated yet......so I must humbly thank you for supporting my point.
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Old 05-08-2012, 10:57 PM
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Motorcoach for sale or rent.
For a modicum of fifty cents.
No photo-id, not citizenship,
King of the Frauds!"

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Old 05-08-2012, 11:12 PM
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You're amazingly well-informed of conspiracy theories for a foreigner. I'm impressed.
To start with they're not conspiracy theories.
And secondly.
Your presidential elections affect the whole world.
Thirdly, compulsory voting should be introduced.

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