What would you do if a 250 pound man is stalking you?

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He'll walk.

Looking at any single part of this case in a vacuum yields nothing helpful. There are several factors that impact the case both ways.

One salient point that tends to damage Zimmerman is the ME's conclusion that the fatal shot was fired from "intermediate" range. Of course the ME has merely added mud to that conclusion, because he didn't state what he meant by "intermediate". (However, it's reasonable to conclude that it wasn't fired from "close" or "point-blank" range, since he did *not* say that.) Surely that is something that will be explored further by attorneys on both sides, but Zimmerman would have a stronger defense if the finding were at point-blank range, as that would dovetail nicely with his story of Martin sitting on him and beating him.

Of course lots of other things also impact that, like angle of trajectory etc...and all of that will be explored and will come out at trial, if not sooner.


At its root, I think the issue here was the gun, and I'm not saying anything against private ownership of guns, I hailed the Miller decision and own some myself. But rather, I don't think Zimmerman would have chosen to be on this private patrol if he wasn't permitted to carry a gun, and it seems probable that he wouldn't have been so quick to go confront someone if he hadn't been carrying, and would likely have just stayed in the car and waited for the PD to arrive (as they suggested).

I'd wonder if he was indeed stalking me and whatever his purpose, I doubt I would confront him. If I felt threatened likely I'd go to a store and call a cop or use my cellphone and call a cop. What about you?

And if the first words out of the man's mouth were something like "what are you doing here, nig--r?" combined with brandishing a weapon or a suspicious bulge, I might feel obligated to try to do unto him before he does to me.

You must work for NBC news.

I still want to see a timeline of events constructed from 911 call and eye-witnesses, all superimposed over a map of both men's travels.

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No, I just see both sides of the story, and can understand why Martin may have "attacked" Zimmerman first. If you provoke a fight leading to someone's death, that's not self-defense. That's a felony.

What's the other side?

Rather, you're choosing to see one side of the story.

And one you've wholly made up that -- surprise -- conveniently supports your own preconceived notions.

Heck, we don't even have all of Zimmerman's side, and he's alive.

The bottom line is that we DON'T know a whole lot more about this case than we do know. More and more of it is coming out, but there is still more darkness than light.


And sure, it's JMHO, but making up crap in your own mind about the case and then spewing that crap on an internet forum doesn't do ANYONE any good.

I understand seeing both sides of a story.
It was your inventing of the quote that caused the NBC comment. They seem not to let facts get in the way of the storyline--as they see it.

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S'funny, the word I'm hearing is that cops were not too impressed with Zimmerman's comportment, saying he could have easily avoided the confrontation and that there was no evidence that Martin was engaged in criminal activity.

Dude will get 5 to 10 years.

As for Z's size, in the jailhouse vid, the guy looks like a dork. His manner of walking is weak. I suspect that Martin was easily the superior fighter. Zimmerman needed a gun because he's a wuss.

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That's the first I've heard of that evidence. Is there more of it?

No evidence, and I doubt that we'll know anything until trial (and maybe not even then). I'm just saying that this could have gone down in many different ways.

Oh hell. Maybe Trayvon called Z a wetback. WTF?

Okay. I'll wait for the trial. Speculating just isn't especially informative.

So then you are just talking ****, no?