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tbomachines · #16 10-26-2012, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Did you even read the first paragraph of the article you quoted? They are talking about eventually moving all jeep production to China. If you have a different take on it, please do explain why you think so.

They have an initial capacity of 140K with a final capacity of 500K. Do you think that they will be happy with just a few scraps you throw them or do you think they want to take over everything? I know what I would do in their position. Makes me think of the previous "Merger of Equals" they had.

Yes, but its speculation. I'll still hold for final news. As I mentioned it takes a lot of cash to ship cars around the world but it might work out for them. I don't really have a dog in this fight either way, I read it as less concrete than you did.

tbomachines · #17 10-26-2012, 02:53 PM

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IF somebody can do it, my money is on the Chinese. They, unlike us, are hungry. They want more. They are willing to bust their hump today that their children have a better future. With some of the trading we have done with them, I have seen first hand what they do and their attitudes. My fear comes from the Chinese crews on the railroad. Paid less, worked harder but still managed to save more than the white man. We have been spoiled too long and we believe the world owes us a living. We have an entitlement mentality. The Japs were once like that but this current generation is also showing signs of weakening. IMO, the next generation of Chinese will seal our manufacturing fate once and for all. Sure, they might give it up to the next group in 2 more generations but that is another day.

Agree with you here.

MTI · #18 10-26-2012, 02:56 PM

Gosh, who doesn't have a auto plant in China? Perhaps the Japanese are the likely answer, but the Americans and Germans have been there for quite awhile.

Benz Fan · #19 10-26-2012, 04:45 PM

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Gosh, who doesn't have a auto plant in China? Perhaps the Japanese are the likely answer, but the Americans and Germans have been there for quite awhile.

Toyota suspends part of production in China plant | CarNewsChina.com - China Auto News

aklim · #20 10-26-2012, 04:51 PM

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Toyota suspends part of production in China plant | CarNewsChina.com - China Auto News

Perhaps then we best hope for a breakout in war with everyone else?

Idle · #21 10-26-2012, 08:50 PM

Chrysler Group is adding 300,000 sf of space at its' Ohio plant where Jeeps are constructed. They have announced they intend to hire 1,100 (aprox) more people to increase production of the Jeep models produced in this plant during calendar year 2013.

According to CBS News the CEO of Chrysler today said the story told by Romney, that all Jeep production is being shifted out of the USA, is a lie.

These are facts, and this makes Mr. Romney a known lier.

In 1998 Rush Limbaugh said, in speaking of President Bill Clinton, that the President was a 'known lier and therefore unfit to hold office.'

Will Mr. Limbaugh hold Mr. Romney to the same standard?

daveuz · #22 10-26-2012, 09:10 PM

Romney repeats false claim of Jeep outsourcing to China; Chrysler refutes story

Romney repeats false claim of Jeep outsourcing to China; Chrysler refutes story | Auto news | Detroit Free Press | freep.com

In fact, Chrysler is investing $500 million at its Toledo North Assembly Plant and plans to add 1,105 new workers by the third quarter of 2013 to build an all-new SUV that will replace the Jeep Liberty.

aklim · #23 10-26-2012, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by daveuz

Romney repeats false claim of Jeep outsourcing to China; Chrysler refutes story

Romney repeats false claim of Jeep outsourcing to China; Chrysler refutes story | Auto news | Detroit Free Press | freep.com

In fact, Chrysler is investing $500 million at its Toledo North Assembly Plant and plans to add 1,105 new workers by the third quarter of 2013 to build an all-new SUV that will replace the Jeep Liberty.

That isn't what was reported in Bloomberg so perhaps the manufacturing sector might have a brief reprieve in the form of a delay of the death knell. Regardless of that, it isn't an issue of "if" but "when" manufacturing will shift over there. The writing is on the wall already so we better be prepared instead of trying to beat the dead horse.

daveuz · #24 10-26-2012, 10:32 PM

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That isn't what was reported in Bloomberg so perhaps the manufacturing sector might have a brief reprieve in the form of a delay of the death knell. Regardless of that, it isn't an issue of "if" but "when" manufacturing will shift over there. The writing is on the wall already so we better be prepared instead of trying to beat the dead horse.

Jeep in China
by Gualberto Ranieri
October 25, 2012 4:24 PM
There are times when the reading of a newswire report generates storms originated by a biased or predisposed approach.

On Oct. 22, 2012, at 11:10 a.m. ET, the Bloomberg News report “Fiat Says Jeep® Output May Return to China as Demand Rises” stated “Chrysler currently builds all Jeep SUV models at plants in Michigan, Illinois and Ohio. Manley (President and CEO of the Jeep brand) referred to adding Jeep production sites rather than shifting output from North America to China.”

[B]Despite clear and accurate reporting, the take has given birth to a number of stories making readers believe that Chrysler plans to shift all Jeep production to China from North America, and therefore idle assembly lines and U.S. workforce. It is a leap that would be difficult even for professional circus acrobats.Let’s set the record straight: Jeep has no intention of shifting production of its Jeep models out of North America to China. It’s simply reviewing the opportunities to return Jeep output to China for the world’s largest auto market. U.S. Jeep assembly lines will continue to stay in operation[/B]. A careful and unbiased reading of the Bloomberg take would have saved unnecessary fantasies and extravagant comments.
http://blog.chryslerllc.com/blog.do?id=1932&p=entry

aklim · #25 10-26-2012, 10:40 PM

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Jeep in China
by Gualberto Ranieri
October 25, 2012 4:24 PM
There are times when the reading of a newswire report generates storms originated by a biased or predisposed approach.

On Oct. 22, 2012, at 11:10 a.m. ET, the Bloomberg News report “Fiat Says Jeep® Output May Return to China as Demand Rises” stated “Chrysler currently builds all Jeep SUV models at plants in Michigan, Illinois and Ohio. Manley (President and CEO of the Jeep brand) referred to adding Jeep production sites rather than shifting output from North America to China.”

[B]Despite clear and accurate reporting, the take has given birth to a number of stories making readers believe that Chrysler plans to shift all Jeep production to China from North America, and therefore idle assembly lines and U.S. workforce. It is a leap that would be difficult even for professional circus acrobats.Let’s set the record straight: Jeep has no intention of shifting production of its Jeep models out of North America to China. It’s simply reviewing the opportunities to return Jeep output to China for the world’s largest auto market. U.S. Jeep assembly lines will continue to stay in operation[/B]. A careful and unbiased reading of the Bloomberg take would have saved unnecessary fantasies and extravagant comments.
http://blog.chryslerllc.com/blog.do?id=1932&p=entry

So are you saying Mike Manley didn't say what was reported? Either he did or he didn't. If he didn't, Bloomberg lied. If he did, I'd like to hear the explanation for why he said what he was supposed to say.

daveuz · #26 10-26-2012, 10:42 PM

A careful and unbiased reading of the Bloomberg take would have saved unnecessary fantasies and extravagant comments.

Chrysler Blog - Jeep in China

aklim · #27 10-26-2012, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by daveuz

A careful and unbiased reading of the Bloomberg take would have saved unnecessary fantasies and extravagant comments.

Chrysler Blog - Jeep in China

My eyes are not what they used to be. Can you qoute the part that explains what Manley said?

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We’re reviewing the opportunities within existing capacity” as well as “should we be localizing the entire Jeep portfolio or some of the Jeep portfolio.”

daveuz · #28 10-26-2012, 11:07 PM

Chrysler currently builds all Jeep SUV models at plants in Michigan, Illinois and Ohio. Manley referred to adding Jeep production sites rather than shifting output from North America to China.

Fiat Says Jeep Output May Return to China as Demand Rises - Bloomberg

Let’s set the record straight: Jeep has no intention of shifting production of its Jeep models out of North America to China. It’s simply reviewing the opportunities to return Jeep output to China for the world’s largest auto market. U.S. Jeep assembly lines will continue to stay in operation. A careful and unbiased reading of the Bloomberg take would have saved unnecessary fantasies and extravagant comments.

http://blog.chryslerllc.com/blog.do?id=1932&p=entry

aklim · #29 10-26-2012, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by daveuz

Chrysler currently builds all Jeep SUV models at plants in Michigan, Illinois and Ohio. Manley referred to adding Jeep production sites rather than shifting output from North America to China.

Fiat Says Jeep Output May Return to China as Demand Rises - Bloomberg

Let’s set the record straight: Jeep has no intention of shifting production of its Jeep models out of North America to China. It’s simply reviewing the opportunities to return Jeep output to China for the world’s largest auto market. U.S. Jeep assembly lines will continue to stay in operation. A careful and unbiased reading of the Bloomberg take would have saved unnecessary fantasies and extravagant comments.

Chrysler Blog - Jeep in China

But you could see the confusion since he does say something about putting the entire portfolio over there as a possibility. I don't know if it is just a bad choice of words or whether he is spilling some beans that the higher ups don't want spilled and now they are backpedaling as fast as they can.

MTI · #30 10-26-2012, 11:19 PM

What Is an American Car?

It was 30 years ago next week that Honda started building cars in the U.S. The 1983 Accord was the first to come off the automakers Ohio line. Toyota and Nissan soon followed Honda to American shores, not only for assembly of cars, but eventually for the design and engineering of cars as well.