Mmmm, is that not what I'm saying all along.

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Clearly, ole Ben was living in a different era.

We did just that here in Canada and I don't think we're suffering for it, excpt it's not temporary - it's part of our culture. It's no secret that Canadians value safety as much as freedom but given a choice they'll take safety first. Both by being and having a sense of safety, we've become free by that virtue.
There's no violent gun culture here. We trust the police to take of things and we know that we won't encounter an armed drunk or anyone else with a bad temper. This soceity as a whole is law abiding and peaceful. Who wouldn't want that for themselves and their family?

If we wanted what Canada has to offer, I'm sure that we would have taken it years ago, and you'd be enjoying the same freedoms we have here in the US. We decided that Hockey was so bad that we didn't even have a season for it this year.

Old Ben had his words right...To most of us int he US, our liberty, our freedoms are much more important than perceived safety.

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Some people have no issue with trampling your liberties in an effort to preserve their own.... even if their liberties are already infringing on others.

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This is a misleading statement (if not intentionally so).

How does one infringe on the others?

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Going for a statement that either side of the discussion would feel at home using...

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On some nights I still believe that a car with the fuel gauge on empty can run about fifty more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. - HST

1983 300SD - 305000
1984 Toyota Landcruiser - 190000
1994 GMC Jimmy - 203000

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Its not a police state at football games, airports and the white house to have security.
Why do you go to the extreme and say that its a police state? Is it to stop an opposing viewpoint?


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Because that's how I see it and do you really think it will make a difference?

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Putting kids daily into an environment where armed guards are necessary tells them (and ourselves) that we have given up trying to build a better and kinder world for them.

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It does no such thing. It eases their minds and frees them to study.

Taking rights that affect them is admitting defeat and weakening their positions later in life.

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They said the same about security guards...yet, nearly every HS across the nation has them.

They said the same about metal detectors...yet how many schools have them installed across the nation?

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A difference? Depends on how it is implemented. A swarm of cops would create some security at the expense of a prison environment. A few plain clothes officers (like air marshals) could work better. They would be harder to predict and the students intimidation factor would be lower.

A legitimate discussion could reveal better ideas instead of the posturing and name calling currently being utilized.

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If you look back, I have not advocated taking away rights. I'd like to see citizens retain their rights and gun owners become more responsible with their cache. In this case, locking the guns up could have thwarted the killings. If everybody locks up their guns, there will be far fewer accidents, period.

That wouldn't have prevented Columbine though. An armed guard on the premises didn't stop it either.

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Break ins and murdered home owners aside.

The utopian solution you propose leaves out the criminal equation. With that nothing changes but the rights of the law abiding people.

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I mean keep them locked up unless you are in possession and control.

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2005 Toyota Sienna
2004 Chrysler Sebring convertible
1999 Toyota Tacoma