Originally Posted by Diesel911

The thought behind this is that if there had been no Gun available there would have been no Murder.
To believe this you would also have to believe that the Murderer would not have used another means to Murder.

There is plenty of Gun Laws but they are not being enforced effectively. Unfortunately it is partly an economic issue. Write a letter to the Bureau of Tobacco and Firearms and ask them if the feel they have enough Officers, equipment or funds to do their job effectively.

Do the same with your Police Department or your local Prosecutor.
The People in the NRA do want illegal gun uses heavily punished but they cannot motivate the Politicos to do that and are also too busy defending themselves from more un-enforceable Gun Laws.

Arn't you outraged that the Forces that are supposed to protect you and your Loved Ones are not funded well enouh?

Did the President of the US go on Air and talk about how his Party is going to increase Funds for Law Enforcement or Criminal Prosecution or did He did he speak of more Gun Control?
I mean Our Country spend Billions overseas but cannot properly fund Law Enforcment?
The answer is our Leaders do not really care. They would rather attack the soft target; the Law Abiding Gun owner, erode the US constitution and increase their power from the erosion.

Originally Posted by davidmash

There are plenty of nations where access to guns is limited and there is not an over abundance of bombs or other devices being used to murder. Using guns is easy. Making an effort to assemble a bomb or some other device takes more effort and knowledge. I do believe that lack of access to guns but those who wish to commit a crime will indeed reduce the amount of gun violence. Knives are not nearly as effective or clean. Explosives tend to hurt the one with the explosive and not many want to go out with their victims.

In Texas the laws are quite lax and I have not heard anything about the NRA seeking to strengthen the laws. I can walk up to anyone selling a gun, give them money and walk away with a gun. No questions need to be asked.

Wanting things punished after the fact may be nice but it is quite reactionary. I would rather see the NRA be proactive and try and to prevent the people who should not get guns from having access to them.

Originally Posted by Diesel911

I was for a different reason but I read similar stuff concerning Bombs. They were speaking in more of a revolutionary type sense.

It said that when People did not have guns to fight with made Bombs. The simplest being Fire Bombs of the Molotove Coctail type.

The NRA somewhat represents the Members. If you go to someplace like Wikipedia it is also listed as a powerful Lobby. I cannot in of itself create laws.
What ever power the NRA has comes from the Members not unlike a Unions Political Funds.
But, more powerful than the NRA is the Media.

In California you cannot legally sell someone a Gun like you do in Texas; but illegal sales happen just like that.
And, that is certainly part of My point. A person having decided to comit Murder is not going to care if a Gun is leagally obtained.

In the Bible it does not say what Cain Killed Able with but because Cain had the will to do that Able was killed.
In this thread we have been talking about what a Modren day Cain might use as a weapon; and just as with the First Murder the Will to Murder is still the most important factor in preventing a Murder.

Originally Posted by davidmash

That very may very well be true. How ever I am willing to bet if the person selling the gun is held liable for the crime as well they may have second thoughts about selling the gun to someone who has not been checked out.

If you have the will but not the ability then the will is somewhat secondary. There are very few alternatives to a gun that can be concealed as easily, kill as efficiently or as precisely, kill as clean, and target as accurately without endangering the user. That is why guns are so popular. They are pretty much the apex of killing tools.