It is sad that some of those interviewed were protecting the RC. I suspect most of them have children and I fail to understand how they can sit back and defend such an institution when their children could have been a victim.

I also do not believe for a moment that Gomez did not know what was going on. I do not believe a person gets to be that high in the church without knowing what is going on. The hierarchy in the RC is corrupt and dirty. The people who still support the RC are in my opinion delusional and at this point given all the information available, culpable in the crimes committed by the RC.

I agree that religion has out lived it's usefulness. At the very least they create a us vs them divisiveness as epitomized by Marty, at worst they are criminal organizations like the RC has become. I am very glad I have escaped the shackles of 'belief'.

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If he left at the time of the scandal, you would be right. If he left today, no. Not sure which way but there it is.

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In that they have people willingly subjugating themselves to an invisible boogey man, yes. Beyond that, no./

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I'm sorry Kerry. Considering the fact that you had some smarmy SOB following your daughter around a few years ago and you couldn't get the LEOs and the local Judicial area to take you seriously, how can you insinuate that a priest who is involved in a molestation situation "...had some integrity..."? (Punctuation Nazis!!! Help me here!!!)

I'd almost equate that with a comment along the lines of..."Hitler had a few good points. The autobahn seems like a nice stretch of highway."

Seriously? I'm disappointed.

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Where did you get the idea that the priest I referred to was involved in a molestation situation?

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Dave: I wouldn't condemn religion because of Organized Religion. Religion, by itself, is a personal choice and life-style. Some do better at it than others.

Where you run into problems is when the "rules" are explained to you to make YOU fit into someone else's expectations of WHAT THEY BELIEVE their particular religion is to be.

If a church starts telling me that I need to wear a suit, tie and a particular cap/beanie/scarf, then I say "Thank you very much. I did enjoy the time we spent together. Bu-bye!"

Or, some deacon comes up and mentions to you that "...it seems that your tithing has been a bit down lately. Any problems at home?" (That particular guy wasn't on any committee that would have had personal knowledge of what, if any, tithes I had given and to what amount was made.) I left that particular church, cold turkey, and to this day, if asked, I say, "I don't care to discuss it with current members. It was an issue between someone and me." And I leave it as that.

And the more Organized? Unless I'm paying respects to the dearly departed (I usually go to the "viewing" and leave before the "religious part" starts.) or someone is getting married (I sit at the back in case the 'HeBeJeebees' start taking over...), I avoid the BIG-BOX Church settings and go for the more informal wakes & receptions. More fun, better food (wafer & sip of wine?) and the entertainment borders on bawdy...sometimes.

I've made my peace with God. I don't need someone with looser morals than I'll ever know trying to make me into their image of their version of their particular church/belief/god.

Jimmy Lee Swaggart be damned.

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By "molestation situation" (MS) - I don't mean to imply that the priest did it himself. I took what you said and understood it to be just that...a "situation" that surrounded a MS. I'm inferring that ANY priest, having to "step down" because he either knew about the circumstances or was aware of another priest involved in a MS and did nothing over the years is just as guilty, if not more so, because the FURTHER damage that could have been avoided never had the chance to be avoided...until now.

How many souls are ripped apart and thrown away because of the silence/complicity.

And again, where does the rape of even one child become an event that can be swept under a rug, or dismissed because the PEOPLE involved, either doing the deed or hiding/sweeping it aside, have any thread of integrity.

The integrity disappeared when the deed(s) became hidden.

And, since this thread is about molestation cases, bringing up a situation about a priest that you knew that had "stepped down"...what else is there to infer? If I'm way off base, I apologize, to you and the priest under question...but since you never mentioned his name, I'll leave that for you...

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.......'74 - Honda CT70 / Real 125
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Kerry, you know, after re-re-re-reading your post (#4), it's not so much being a bit careless with where the commas are placed ("Let's eat Grandpa!" vs. "Let's eat, Granda!") but getting the inflection/situation understood properly...as in what I think you now mean as "...he left the Church over this (or left the Church because he didn't want to be associated with that level of complicity).

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.......'74 - Honda CT70 / Real 125
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Apparently that sentence is not clear. He left the church because he was disgusted over the behavior of the church hierarchy.

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Yah, I NOW know and I apologize...

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.......'74 - Honda CT70 / Real 125
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When did he quit the sorry organization? Recently or at the time the scandal broke?

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Within the last 2 years or so I think. The scandal has been breaking for quite a while.

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So maybe he decided to distance himself from the heat and not that he got pissed at them since it broke a long time ago.

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That's the way I understood it.

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- You can pray for me, I'll think for you.
- When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.