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davidmash · #1 02-03-2013, 08:22 PM

L.A. archbishop relieves retired cardinal of duties

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A first round of 14 priest files made public in Los Angeles nearly two weeks ago showed that Mahony and other top officials maneuvered behind the scenes to shield molester priests, provide damage control for the church and keep parishioners in the dark about sexual abuse in their parishes. Those documents, released as part of an unrelated civil lawsuit, were not redacted and provided a glimpse of what could be contained in the larger release.

When at least one of these SOB's actually serves jail time for conspiracy (I think that would apply right?) and accessory then may be they will have a little credibility. Until then, they are no better than the rest of the slimy pedophiles.

kerry · #2 02-03-2013, 08:34 PM

Exactly what I thought when I read that a couple of days ago. The Church knew all this stuff years ago yet only act on it when it becomes public. In this particular instance, since Mahoney deliberately sent priests to NM for counseling to avoid the reporting to police which was required in CA, I would think prosecution under organized crime statutes would be in order.

davidmash · #3 02-03-2013, 08:55 PM

I tried to give you some time to post this but you dropped the ball again

so I had to do your work for you again....

You need to step your game up.

I agree with the prosecution idea. I am tired of people like Mahoney getting a pass while children suffered at their hands with full knowledge of the hierarchy. On top of that they initiated a cover up and allowed even more children to be raped by these bastards. I say, prosecute and if found guilty, put the SOB's in general population and let them find out what it's like.

The other thing that confuses me is why this country is protecting these people. The parishioners seem to be accepting this. The fact that there are no protests and mass exodus from the RC is mind boggling.

For those who question why more people are not protesting in the ME (many many are) you may want to ask the same questions of any Roman Catholic you happen to meet. How can they support a criminal organization that preys on children and protects the rapists?

strelnik · #4 02-04-2013, 10:49 AM

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For those who question why more people are not protesting in the ME (many many are) you may want to ask the same questions of any Roman Catholic you happen to meet. How can they support a criminal organization that preys on children and protects the rapists?

Consider also the fact that the parishioners who assumed their church collections were going for helping the poor and needy were actually going for multi-million dollar settlements because the Church didn't want the insurance companies to find out.

It's time to sweep all this clean.

This is what Martin Luther did in the Reformation

davidmash · #5 02-04-2013, 11:38 AM

It is sad that some of those interviewed were protecting the RC. I suspect most of them have children and I fail to understand how they can sit back and defend such an institution when their children could have been a victim.

I also do not believe for a moment that Gomez did not know what was going on. I do not believe a person gets to be that high in the church without knowing what is going on. The hierarchy in the RC is corrupt and dirty. The people who still support the RC are in my opinion delusional and at this point given all the information available, culpable in the crimes committed by the RC.

I agree that religion has out lived it's usefulness. At the very least they create a us vs them divisiveness as epitomized by Marty, at worst they are criminal organizations like the RC has become. I am very glad I have escaped the shackles of 'belief'.

mgburg · #6 02-04-2013, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by davidmash

It is sad that some of those interviewed were protecting the RC. I suspect most of them have children and I fail to understand how they can sit back and defend such an institution when their children could have been a victim.

I also do not believe for a moment that Gomez did not know what was going on. I do not believe a person gets to be that high in the church without knowing what is going on. The hierarchy in the RC is corrupt and dirty. The people who still support the RC are in my opinion delusional and at this point given all the information available, culpable in the crimes committed by the RC.

I agree that religion has out lived it's usefulness. At the very least they create a us vs them divisiveness as epitomized by Marty, at worst they are criminal organizations like the RC has become. I am very glad I have escaped the shackles of 'belief'.

Dave: I wouldn't condemn religion because of Organized Religion. Religion, by itself, is a personal choice and life-style. Some do better at it than others.

Where you run into problems is when the "rules" are explained to you to make YOU fit into someone else's expectations of WHAT THEY BELIEVE their particular religion is to be.

If a church starts telling me that I need to wear a suit, tie and a particular cap/beanie/scarf, then I say "Thank you very much. I did enjoy the time we spent together. Bu-bye!"

Or, some deacon comes up and mentions to you that "...it seems that your tithing has been a bit down lately. Any problems at home?" (That particular guy wasn't on any committee that would have had personal knowledge of what, if any, tithes I had given and to what amount was made.) I left that particular church, cold turkey, and to this day, if asked, I say, "I don't care to discuss it with current members. It was an issue between someone and me." And I leave it as that.

And the more Organized? Unless I'm paying respects to the dearly departed (I usually go to the "viewing" and leave before the "religious part" starts.) or someone is getting married (I sit at the back in case the 'HeBeJeebees' start taking over...), I avoid the BIG-BOX Church settings and go for the more informal wakes & receptions. More fun, better food (wafer & sip of wine?) and the entertainment borders on bawdy...sometimes.

I've made my peace with God. I don't need someone with looser morals than I'll ever know trying to make me into their image of their version of their particular church/belief/god.

Jimmy Lee Swaggart be damned.

kerry · #7 02-03-2013, 09:02 PM

I apologize for falling down on my job. I am acquainted with a priest who left the church over this.

davidmash · #8 02-03-2013, 09:09 PM

Yea, well... don't let it happen again.

Stepping down is not enough. It's a step in the right direction but voices need to be heard. They need to be yelling at the top of their lungs. Kids are being raped and no one seems to give a crap. This has been going on for 20-40 years that we know of (probably far far longer) and the church is still in business. WTF??????

aklim · #9 02-03-2013, 10:34 PM

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Yea, well... don't let it happen again.

Stepping down is not enough. It's a step in the right direction but voices need to be heard. They need to be yelling at the top of their lungs. Kids are being raped and no one seems to give a crap. This has been going on for 20-40 years that we know of (probably far far longer) and the church is still in business. WTF??????

Stepping down is a step in the right direction? Surely you jest. The leadership is rotten to the core all the way to the last and current pope. What is the firing of one low man on the totem pole supposed to do? I bust you for murder and you admit to running a red light. Seriously?

kerry · #10 02-03-2013, 10:55 PM

It was a step in the right direction for the priest who quit. He had some integrity.

aklim · #11 02-04-2013, 12:20 AM

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It was a step in the right direction for the priest who quit. He had some integrity.

Had he stepped down way back when, I might have agreed with you. Today, it is too little, too late. Once the thing blows up, your stepping down is little more than a lame attempt at an apology. IF he wants to apologize, do it the Hari Kiri way and I will say it is a sincere apology.

A show of integrity is confessing or stepping down when there is no hint of getting caught. Once it comes to light and the crap is about to hit the fan, confession or stepping down is merely an attempt to distance oneself from the issue or mitigate the ill feelings.

mgburg · #12 02-04-2013, 07:32 PM

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It was a step in the right direction for the priest who quit. He had some integrity.

I'm sorry Kerry. Considering the fact that you had some smarmy SOB following your daughter around a few years ago and you couldn't get the LEOs and the local Judicial area to take you seriously, how can you insinuate that a priest who is involved in a molestation situation "...had some integrity..."? (Punctuation Nazis!!! Help me here!!!)

I'd almost equate that with a comment along the lines of..."Hitler had a few good points. The autobahn seems like a nice stretch of highway."

Seriously? I'm disappointed.