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martureo · #**121** 02-25-2013, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Skid Row Joe

"......you drive her somewhere once a week....."

Given the entirety of what you posted, your story doesn't seem to make sense........why would you drive her at all?

Without revealing too many details... because I'm a faithful churchman. I do what I'm asked.

Skid Row Joe · #**122** 02-25-2013, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by martureo

Without revealing too many details... because I'm a faithful churchman. I do what I'm asked.

Doing what you're asked to do, seems to be in direct conflict with what you know to be the truth about her - she doesn't warrant/need your free transport donating help. Your church/or your giving nature is being freeloaded/scammed IMO - as per your story, providing further enablement for her to perpetrate the Gov't. when you know she doesn't need it. You need to spill the beans to your Brethern/Elders at the church about her scamming for transportation, on the backs of the hard-working folk.

Seems to me that you being educated as a seminarian in your religion, would prepare you to convey a Jesus' (or one of your religion's brand) of parable about hypocrisy/scamming her fellow-man, and then declining any future request to drive her anywhere, ever again.

My religion teaches that; "if you don't work - you don't eat." Unfortunately Gov't. programs enable ppl to stay on welfare and not work. She is not providing a good example for her children - taking from the Gov't. That should be changed, IMO.

You pretty well nailed her MO, in the extensive, fact-filled story you posted. Seems like some truth ought to be administered, eh? Think about it. This could be a turning point in your ministry - putting your foot down on the side of righteousness.

I can't help but believe that most of the street scammers that beg for money claiming they're "homeless," aren't. My doubts are that when they're; fat/overweight/young and able-bodied/clean and groomed/wearing newer clothes & shoes than me/puffing on a cigarette, with cell phone-in-hand - yet want me to give them money? Huh!? - they don't need my help. 0_o

I always offer to call the police for them, if they actually need help, since that is a good place to start - getting them checked out for wants and warrants, as well as possible diminished mental capacity by the police. Funny, none of them want me to call the police.

If they look fidgety/nervous or act threatening in any way - I always call the police on them.

I don't help people that can actually help themselves - that to me is just being taken for a ride.

Giving a drunk another drink (to use an analogy) when you're footing the bill - doesn't help them. Not in the least.

Jim B. · #**123** 02-25-2013, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Skid Row Joe

Doing what you're asked to do, seems to be in direct conflict with what you know to be the truth about her - she doesn't warrant/need your free transport donating help. Your church/or your giving nature is being freeloaded/scammed IMO - as per your story, providing further enablement for her to perpetrate the Gov't. when you know she doesn't need it. You need to spill the beans to your Brethern/Elders at the church about her scamming for transportation, on the backs of the hard-working folk.

Seems to me that you being educated as a seminarian in your religion, would prepare you to convey a Jesus' (or one of your religion's brand) of parable about hypocrisy/scamming her fellow-man, and then declining any future request to drive her anywhere, ever again.

My religion teaches that; "if you don't work - you don't eat." Unfortunately Gov't. programs enable ppl to stay on welfare and not work. She is not providing a good example for her children - taking from the Gov't. That should be changed, IMO.

You pretty well nailed her MO, in the extensive, fact-filled story you posted. Seems like some truth ought to be administered, eh? Think about it. This could be a turning point in your ministry - putting your foot down on the side of righteousness.

I can't help but believe that most of the street scammers that beg for money claiming they're "homeless," aren't. My doubts are that when they're; fat/overweight/young and able-bodied/clean and groomed/wearing newer clothes & shoes than me/puffing on a cigarette, with cell phone-in-hand - yet want me to give them money? Huh!? - they don't need my help. 0_o

I always offer to call the police for them, if they actually need help, since that is a good place to start - getting them checked out for wants and warrants, as well as possible diminished mental capacity by the police. Funny, none of them want me to call the police.

If they look fidgety/nervous or act threatening in any way - I always call the police on them.

I don't help people that can actually help themselves - that to me is just being taken for a ride.

Giving a drunk another drink (to use an analogy) when you're footing the bill - doesn't help them. Not in the least.

You worship money.

Right?

~~~~~

You can really dish it out - but can you take it?

But if one day some street thug shot you low in the back with a handgun and put you in a wheelchair, maybe YOU'D be mistaken for one of the people you so piously decry.

Just imagine that.

Skid Row Joe · #**124** 02-25-2013, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim B.

You worship money.

Right?

Wrong.

I 'worship' (being productive) through working. For some reason, the more one works, in many cases, the more money one earns. I respect ppl that work - regardless how much money they earn, have or don't have. I have no respect for able-bodied ppl that do not, and will not work to feed themselves.

t walgamuth · #**125** 02-25-2013, 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by martureo

Wanna hear something that will make you angry?

I drive a lady and her kids (she's a friend of mine) somewhere once a week. She has three kids from two different men. Used to be in the AirForce before getting pregnant. Was given money to go to trade school a few years ago, aced every class. But after finishing and looking for a job she didn't want to be poor so she stayed on welfare.

She currently has a nicer townhouse than I do (owned by the state, rent free), gets welfare, food stamps and extra money for taking her kids in a taxi to school (even though they take the bus). She and her kids wear better clothing than I do. And she gets a new cell phone every other month (because she forgets to pay the bill).

At one point last year her daughter left something on and burnt the townhouse down. The state found her a new one the next day.

You are a religious man, just remember that Jesus said not to judge.

So compare me, a struggling engineer, paying his way and his wife's way through school, and this girl with three kids, no baby daddy and is living off of the state because she doesn't feel like being poor if she got a job.

Does our system really work this way?

That does not make me angry.
1. I question if you have all the facts.
2. Even if you do would I want her life?
No.

All those sorts of programs are for the benefit of children, not their parents. Lots of people who have children, especially a single parent cannot afford child care so it often makes more sense not to work for some of them.

Skid Row Joe · #**126** 02-25-2013, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

That does not make me angry.
1. I question if you have all the facts.
2. Even if you do would I want her life?
No.

All those sorts of programs are for the benefit of children, not their parents. Lots of people who have children, especially a single parent cannot afford child care so it often makes more sense not to work for some of them.

I suspect there may be more than is being posted too, known and unknown. However, he has a right to feel the way he does as he's expressed, and I support his view(s).

Botnst · #**127** 02-25-2013, 07:26 AM

Parents who live off their children's welfare: Next time on Oprah.

SwampYankee · #**128** 02-25-2013, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Parents who live off their children's welfare: Next time on Oprah.

C'mon, Bot. Try to keep up. Ellen is where it's at now.

spdrun · #**129** 02-25-2013, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

That does not make me angry.
1. I question if you have all the facts.
2. Even if you do would I want her life?
No.

All those sorts of programs are for the benefit of children, not their parents. Lots of people who have children, especially a single parent cannot afford child care so it often makes more sense not to work for some of them.

Why not just require putting the crotchfruits up for adoption if the "lady" keeps crapping them out AFTER going on relief? Just saying ... there are other options, even if not palatable ones.

martureo · #**130** 02-25-2013, 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skid Row Joe

Doing what you're asked to do, seems to be in direct conflict with what you know to be the truth about her - she doesn't warrant/need your free transport donating help. Your church/or your giving nature is being freeloaded/scammed IMO - as per your story, providing further enablement for her to perpetrate the Gov't. when you know she doesn't need it. You need to spill the beans to your Brethern/Elders at the church about her scamming for transportation, on the backs of the hard-working folk.

Seems to me that you being educated as a seminarian in your religion, would prepare you to convey a Jesus' (or one of your religion's brand) of parable about hypocrisy/scamming her fellow-man, and then declining any future request to drive her anywhere, ever again.

My religion teaches that; "if you don't work - you don't eat." Unfortunately Gov't. programs enable ppl to stay on welfare and not work. She is not providing a good example for her children - taking from the Gov't. That should be changed, IMO.

You pretty well nailed her MO, in the extensive, fact-filled story you posted. Seems like some truth ought to be administered, eh? Think about it. This could be a turning point in your ministry - putting your foot down on the side of righteousness.

I can't help but believe that most of the street scammers that beg for money claiming they're "homeless," aren't. My doubts are that when they're; fat/overweight/young and able-bodied/clean and groomed/wearing newer clothes & shoes than me/puffing on a cigarette, with cell phone-in-hand - yet want me to give them money? Huh!? - they don't need my help. 0_o

I always offer to call the police for them, if they actually need help, since that is a good place to start - getting them checked out for wants and warrants, as well as possible diminished mental capacity by the police. Funny, none of them want me to call the police.

If they look fidgety/nervous or act threatening in any way - I always call the police on them.

I don't help people that can actually help themselves - that to me is just being taken for a ride.

Giving a drunk another drink (to use an analogy) when you're footing the bill - doesn't help them. Not in the least.

Both of my pastors are well aware of the situation. Because of the route of my commute I was the closest person to pick them up at a certain time.

Yes, I am aware of 1 Thessalonians 3:10, as are my pastors. We haven't decided to act in any way yet, at least in the direction you are suggesting.

My God is reckless with grace and I believe we are to be wasteful with our grace. Heap grace, big messy grace on everyone, regardless of efficiency or return. Yes, I believe we should be stewards with our money, but spending the money when some need presents itself is better than keeping the monthly budget.

That post was my personal, on topic rant. I don't speak about that situation often, if ever. But I felt that it was the right outlet at the moment.

martureo · #**131** 02-25-2013, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by spdrun

Why not just require putting the crotchfruits up for adoption if the "lady" keeps crapping them out AFTER going on relief? Just saying ... there are other options, even if not palatable ones.

The foster system is already overloaded. And if you took kids away, they would just make more.

Personal experience from working/ministering/volunteering in such a community has proven this to me.

martureo · #**132** 02-25-2013, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

That does not make me angry.
1. I question if you have all the facts.
2. Even if you do would I want her life?
No.

All those sorts of programs are for the benefit of children, not their parents. Lots of people who have children, especially a single parent cannot afford child care so it often makes more sense not to work for some of them.

Promoting a state charge is not a good idea. Heck, if she can live free and comfortable, destroy property, get a free education and plenty of spending money....

...why would I want to work?

Heck, I don't even have internet or cable at my house right now, she has both.

t walgamuth · #**133** 02-25-2013, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by spdrun

Why not just require putting the crotchfruits up for adoption if the "lady" keeps crapping them out AFTER going on relief? Just saying ... there are other options, even if not palatable ones.

The programs are there also for people who are in a financial pickle due to no fault of their own.

What would you do with a woman who is deserted by her husband with three little ones?

benhogan · #**134** 02-25-2013, 09:39 AM

to the OP-

Look at it from the flip side.

I think it is actually NORMAL to be in the poor state. It is not normal to be rich because it actually takes effort to save/invest/think ahead, etc.

Compare it to airplanes. The normal state is for it to be on the ground. It takes effort/jet fuel to get into the air. Airplanes crash when they run out of fuel midair.

Also, there are more poor people than rich people (at least in the US). Therefore it is plausible to assume that being poor is an easier state to be in than rich. Poor is normal, rich is not (because it actually takes effort).

kerry · #**135** 02-25-2013, 09:51 AM

From an evolutionary point of view, I think you're pretty close to the mark. Early in our evolution when we were hunter/gatherers for tens of thousands of years, there were no established means for planning for the long term future. No graineries, no money, no canned food, no capital, no 401k's, etc. Humans had to accept what came to them each season in the way of food. It was only with the development of agriculture and herding that humans had to start planning for the future. To look at it another way, the bourgoise lifestyle is unnatural.