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Old 03-21-2013, 02:32 PM
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The clown was right.

And the clown was right again: "'Baghdad Bob' and His Ridiculous, True Predictions"

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Old 03-21-2013, 03:09 PM
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Althougth looking back ten years to "see" that Baghdad Bob was "correct" in his predictions is stretching it, I will have to say the invasion and war (GW2) was simply not worth one soldier's life or one penny of American money. We can rattle our saber all we want, but when the rubber hits the road, unless the United States Congress declares war on an "enemy", no president should be permitted to invade a country, wage war, et cet. That certainly goes for B.O., who is rattling his saber right now and suggesting he will do so some more. Looking back, I suspect this will most likely be the greatest error of GB#2's presidency and the source of much of our current issues. Not suggesting our current regime has not contributed greatly to our problems, but going to war was an error IMO.
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Old 03-21-2013, 05:19 PM
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Couldn't agree more. And don't forget the complicity of Dick "deficits don't matter" Cheney and Paul "they'll greet us with flowers and the oil will pay for it " Wolfowitz.
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Old 03-21-2013, 05:39 PM
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I came across this today...

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Really makes one appreciate the sacrifices made by everyday people during the last decade.
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Old 03-21-2013, 05:44 PM
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I don't think it's such a stretch at all. Not only will this adventure go in the history books as GWB greatest failure, it will also go as America's greatest foreign failure.
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Old 03-21-2013, 07:38 PM
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As long as we keep listening to and voting in the clowns that claim to be left and right we are going to keep getting into stupid "wars".
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Old 03-21-2013, 07:45 PM
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The U.S. has a tendancy to invade weak countries that cannot defend themselves.
Iraq was/is a disaster. Tangleing with Iran would make Iraq look like a walk in the park.
That is if the U.S. is foolish enough to step into that arena.

And if they are that foolish, I say...Go on Git Some.
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Old 03-21-2013, 08:07 PM
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A bunch of thoughts:

I believe the Lybian, Egyptian and the Syrian (in progress) take over of the Governments in their Countries are part of the Results of our actions in the Gulf War.
Although the are unplanned reaction that may or may not work out well for us.

I also believe our struggles in Korea and the Vietnam War also contributed to the down fall of the Soviet Union.

The issue in the Muslim Countries is that no one in their own Countries can even be moderate with out ketting killed. And, the general public will never like us as long as We are not Muslim to the extent that they are willing to keep giving Financial and otherwise support to the radical elements in order to draw Blood from use.

The above sort of reminds Me of the Native Americans; as long as they were able to they continued to fight till it looked as if they were going to starve to death or otherwise get wiped out entirely.

The USA has the ability to reduce the Population of most of Muslim Countries to the near extermination that would Win the War; but the USA is not up to that as it goes against the type of Nation We claim to be.

So we have joined the unending Mid East cycle of Blood Letting just for the sake of making your Enemy Bleed.
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Old 03-21-2013, 08:17 PM
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I also believe our struggles in Korea and the Vietnam War also contributed to the down fall of the Soviet Union.
Besides the supply of weapons and providing training to MIG pilots I don't follow your statement. I don't see how both wars contributed to the collaps of the USSR. The war in Afghanistan and the fall of the wall did in my opinion.
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Besides the supply of weapons and providing training to MIG pilots I don't follow your statement. I don't see how both wars contributed to the collaps of the USSR. The war in Afghanistan and the fall of the wall did in my opinion.
He supports a U.S.war on Islam, believes it is a threat to Christianity. Nuff said.
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Old 03-22-2013, 12:37 AM
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Besides the supply of weapons and providing training to MIG pilots I don't follow your statement. I don't see how both wars contributed to the collaps of the USSR. The war in Afghanistan and the fall of the wall did in my opinion.
The USSR War in Afganastan was them trying go get something economically out of it. The Russians seldom sent large numbers of Troops anywere to do actual Fighting.
From what I have read the USSR giving up had to do more directly with the Star Wars defense because they lost the belief that they could win even if the initiated a First Strike. But, all of the above things happend after a long chain of events.

I expected this sort of response because everyone wants to focus on the immediate results of Vietnam War not the look at the cumulative results of the US opposing Communism. Vietnam was part of a continuing resistance against Communism that went on for several decades; if not since the Russian Revolution.

Easier to see with Korea because 1/2 is not Communist and doing OK. It is also an example of how not wanting a War with China N Korea is back to haunt us.
 
The USSR and the USA were picking at each trying to gain an advantage over each other.

The USSR was spending more then us on Weapons and defense. That was hurting them; it was interfering with their Communist Utopia.

Vietnam Military was mostly equipped by China and the USSR. The Money they spent to do that could have been used else where.

I think We lost the Vietnam War from the beginning because We could not attack the Production of Weapons in the USSR and China because that would have moved on to an Atomic War.

So the choice was to do nothing or fight and take a chance We might Win and at least show the USSR and China that We would act to oppose them; and We did that poorly.

So We lost the Game so to speak against Communism in Vietnam but We won the War against the USSR and don't have that that thread of killing off the whole Planet.

(Sadly with out the USA Armed Forces in Vietnam several Million People die in Cambodia. If we had still been there I don’t think that would have happened.)

So we were involved in a War of attrition with the Soviet Union. It was mostly an economic War, a scary Nuke type Physiological War with some fighting War to try to stop the spread of Communism.

The Vietnam War does not bother Me as much as giving in to China because We were greedy for their business.
 
The Middle East Issues We are having now are left overs from the Cold War where the USSR and sorrogated supplied Weapons and Explosives to the Muslims hoping to gaing control or interfere with the Oil Supply to us.

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Old 03-22-2013, 12:56 AM
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He supports a U.S.war on Islam, believes it is a threat to Christianity. Nuff said.
If you were speaking of Me I don't believe that is so.

While it seems clear Islam seems to be against all other Religions more to the point it is against any form of Government that is not an Islamic Theocracy.

This is where the Islamic Extremist will be running head-to-head with the other parts of the world.

It also means there is really no chance of negotiating with the various Islamic Extremist Factions because by their interpretation it would mean they would have to violate their religion.

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Besides the supply of weapons and providing training to MIG pilots I don't follow your statement. I don't see how both wars contributed to the collaps of the USSR. The war in Afghanistan and the fall of the wall did in my opinion.
If you understand the goal of going to Vietnam, you would know that goal was accomplished.
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Old 03-22-2013, 01:25 AM
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The US has been in over 200 major conflicts in history and Congress declared war only 5 times. On MANY more occasions war was authorized by Congress through funding or other legislation.

Article One, Section Eight of the Constitution says "Congress shall have power to ... declare War". However, that passage provides no specific format for what form legislation must have in order to be considered a "Declaration of War" nor does the Constitution itself use this term. Many have postulated "Declaration(s) of War" must contain that phrase as or within the title. Others oppose that reasoning. In the courts, the United States First Circuit Court of Appeals in Doe vs. Bush said: "The text of the October Resolution itself spells out justifications for a war and frames itself as an 'authorization' of such a war."[1] in effect saying an authorization suffices for declaration and what some may view as a formal Congressional "Declaration of War" was not required by the Constitution.

After Vietnam the War Powers Resolution act was designed to limit Presidential ability to wage war, but in the case of Obama in Libya for example, the rules have been ignored (i.e. number of days it can go on, reports to Congress etc).

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