Flight control limits can be easily argued both ways. The A300-600 that crashed in Queens on climbout had control limits and it was still insufficient to prevent stupidity by the pilots.

The A330 that crashed outbound from Rio also had flight control limits. Didn't prevent the pilots from causing a high altitude stall and sit there looking stupid at the gauges for over three minutes............

The B-757 that crashed outbound from Puerto Plata, DR on climbout had no flight control limits. Pilot stalled the aircraft when he reduced power due to faulty airspeed reading on his side. Couldn't figure out that he stalled it despite the stickshaker going wild.

You can't fix stupid.

..............the DC-7 was quite the popular plane..............

Did it? The A300/310 are mostly not FBW.

I thought the A300-600R was FBW...........could be mistaken.

A/A got rid of all those aircraft after the accident. No confidence in them whatsoever.

I was under the impression skydivers and their aircraft stayed a bit lower. I guess not.

Oh no! 1.6 miles! They nearly touched!

An actual interesting flight. I would have gladly paid to be on it. Too bad I missed it. I am curious what the decent rate and g-loading were.

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Whoever said there's nothing more expensive than a cheap Mercedes never had a cheap Jaguar.

83 300D Turbo with manual conversion, early W126 vented front rotors and H4 headlights 401,xxx miles
08 Suzuki GSX-R600 M4 Slip-on 26,xxx miles
88 Jaguar XJS V12 94,xxx miles. Work in progress.
99 Mazda Miata 183,xxx miles.

Got links to the full reports? I love reading about accident investigations.

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Whoever said there's nothing more expensive than a cheap Mercedes never had a cheap Jaguar.

83 300D Turbo with manual conversion, early W126 vented front rotors and H4 headlights 401,xxx miles
08 Suzuki GSX-R600 M4 Slip-on 26,xxx miles
88 Jaguar XJS V12 94,xxx miles. Work in progress.
99 Mazda Miata 183,xxx miles.

Yes it was and yes I remember it. Along with the Boeing 707 and 727. What do I miss most? Southwest Airlines and PSA flight attendants outfits. Who wanted to get off the flight? Those girls were HOT!

The differnce is that the crew knew what was happening and they were in control and the passenger not.

I do rember an airplane that lost it horizontal stabilisation and the pilot landed safely by having the passengers moving to the front and back of the plane.
The pilot explained his succes later by saying "my passengers were all Japanese"

It may be different in the US but in Europe there are very few ex-military pilots, major airlines do not hire them.
If they get a job (very hard at the moment) they fly small planes or for cheap charter companies.

Rob

http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/reports/2004/AAR0404.pdf


http://flightsafety.org/ap/ap_oct99.pdf

FLIGHT AF 447

Not this time it didn't so how do you say "every time" when there is at least one exception except to bring up drama?

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01 Ford Excursion Powerstroke
99 E300 Turbodiesel
91 Vette with 383 motor
05 Polaris Sportsman 800 EFI
06 Polaris Sportsman 500 EFI
03 SeaDoo GTX SC Red
03 SeaDoo GTX SC Yellow
04 Tailgator 21 ft Toy Hauler
11 Harley Davidson 883 SuperLow

Maybe we can make people like Husky happy and put all passengers into a medically induced coma. No panic from passengers and less flight crew needed.

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01 Ford Excursion Powerstroke
99 E300 Turbodiesel
91 Vette with 383 motor
05 Polaris Sportsman 800 EFI
06 Polaris Sportsman 500 EFI
03 SeaDoo GTX SC Red
03 SeaDoo GTX SC Yellow
04 Tailgator 21 ft Toy Hauler
11 Harley Davidson 883 SuperLow

Thank you. I have some light reading for after work tonight

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Whoever said there's nothing more expensive than a cheap Mercedes never had a cheap Jaguar.

83 300D Turbo with manual conversion, early W126 vented front rotors and H4 headlights 401,xxx miles
08 Suzuki GSX-R600 M4 Slip-on 26,xxx miles
88 Jaguar XJS V12 94,xxx miles. Work in progress.
99 Mazda Miata 183,xxx miles.

You can also pack 'em in horizontally and stack 'em. Probably get 1000 of 'em on a 747.

So first class gets the good drugs, economy class gets a whack on the head?

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01 Ford Excursion Powerstroke
99 E300 Turbodiesel
91 Vette with 383 motor
05 Polaris Sportsman 800 EFI
06 Polaris Sportsman 500 EFI
03 SeaDoo GTX SC Red
03 SeaDoo GTX SC Yellow
04 Tailgator 21 ft Toy Hauler
11 Harley Davidson 883 SuperLow

Adjust oxygen level till they pass out.

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Jim