I'm about halfway through the report on that one. A300-600 isn't FBW, but there is an airspeed dependent rudder travel limiting device. Unfortunately, the designers didn't forsee a pilot stomping one rudder pedal, generating considerable sideslip, and then stomping the other rudder pedal, and the regulations were written to account for a full control deflection followed by allowing the rudder to go back to neutral.

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83 300D Turbo with manual conversion, early W126 vented front rotors and H4 headlights 401,xxx miles
08 Suzuki GSX-R600 M4 Slip-on 26,xxx miles
88 Jaguar XJS V12 94,xxx miles. Work in progress.
99 Mazda Miata 183,xxx miles.

Never underestimate the capability of the pilot to do something completely stupid.

You can never completely idiot proof something. They'll come up with a better idiot. It's really a training issue. Motorcycling is similar. There are a whole lot of situations in which a sudden full deflection of one or another control WILL result in crash. Why doesn't it happen more often? Training.

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83 300D Turbo with manual conversion, early W126 vented front rotors and H4 headlights 401,xxx miles
08 Suzuki GSX-R600 M4 Slip-on 26,xxx miles
88 Jaguar XJS V12 94,xxx miles. Work in progress.
99 Mazda Miata 183,xxx miles.

The stupidity of this one was such that I had to read it twice to make sure I was really seeing it.

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83 300D Turbo with manual conversion, early W126 vented front rotors and H4 headlights 401,xxx miles
08 Suzuki GSX-R600 M4 Slip-on 26,xxx miles
88 Jaguar XJS V12 94,xxx miles. Work in progress.
99 Mazda Miata 183,xxx miles.

If you had to read that one twice............this one is going to take you ten reads...........if you can believe it at all:

http://flightsafety.org/ap/ap_jul_aug97.pdf

There was absolutely nothing wrong with the airplane.

As I told you..........you can't fix stupid.

Brings up the question. For every Captain Sullenburger, how many others do we have? Perhaps that is why I trust the consistency of a Properly setup computer system much more than reliance on the hope of getting a great human once in a long while.

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Was Sully that unusual as a competant pilot? I tend to think not.

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

But ut was used as an example of why human contribution was better than an electronic system.

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I'd rather have good electronic systems AND a competent crew who can think of solutions that the code monkeys who programmed the electronics didn't.

Absolutely. However the latter is few and far between. Nit to mention expensive. Hence I prefer to rely on tge machine. It is more consistent than a human will ever be

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I suspect that pilot salaries are a rather small part of the expenses of keeping a plane flying.

Depends on who you talk to. When it comes to the company who wants to save every penn2, no amount is too small to be considered. Remember, you are nobody to the company or anyone else other than a means to an end regardless of all the "I care" things they say. We all look out for "Number 1".

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Margins are thin, but the FAA scrutiny, bad PR, and lawsuits from a crash can break an airline company very quickly. Look at what happened with Pan Am after Lockerbie, or TWA's spiral around the drain after Flight 800.

Absolutely. Now can you tell me why we knew of Y2K and didn't fix it till the last minute? Here is my theory. As the IT head, I can fix it 10 years ahead but I don't want to wreck my budget TODAY because I don't know if I will be still employed here come the year 2000. So screw it. Let the other guy deal with it. Today, I want to show everyone that my budget is as lean as possible. Come 1999, OMG!!! We need to do this NOW.

Similarly, You can talk all about FAA scrutiny, bad PR but as long as it doesn't happen BEFORE the company cans me or I leave it, WGAS? My bonus this year will be better. Screw you and the horse you rode in on as long as I get a bigger bonus today. Let tomorrow take care of itself since I might or might not be here.

My grandpa would NOT understand this attitude since they get a job, work for the company, retire and get the proverbial gold watch. Today, if the other guy offers me a little more than you, I'm so gone. After all, if you can find a cheaper way, you'd can my ass. So, as I said, it is every man/woman/child for his/her/it self.

Again, you are talking 10 years down the road, I am talking today. In 10 years, I'd have my bonus and it is spent. It ain't pretty but that is the way of the world we live in.

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Yes, he was quite unusual. The chances of another pilot duplicating his decisions and achieving the perfect airspeed with the perfect pitch attitude at touchdown are remarkably low.

The chances of safely landing a commercial airliner on water are somewhere between slim and none.