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spdrun · #16 07-06-2013, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Most likely complicit? You established that accusation, how? Just because they are lazy or irresponsible doesn't make them complicit.

Then get laws passed to allow these sort of things like lemonade stands to exist.

Generally they do exist without harassment. I've seen several in the town where I grew up as well as down the shore this summer.

It's only when you get the combination of mentally deficient pigs and nosy neighbors that they get harassed.

cmbdiesel · #17 07-06-2013, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by spdrun

If the law is asinine, it shouldn't be for anyone, not even other people.

Certainly health codes are not asinine?

If it weren't for the huge number of complete arseholes in our world, we wouldn't have so many laws which occasionally put a cramp on normal everyday people.

Who is to say that there isn't some deranged kid out there who thinks selling lemonade with arsenic in it would be a real fun pastime?
If the parents had a lick of sense, they would have taken the time to get the licensing and permits together so that their kids entrepreneurial experience did not end this way.
Blaming the police (which I enjoy as much as the next guy) for enforcing sensible laws in a decent manner is a waste of time and energy.
Pick on them for the real offenses, there are plenty of them out there...

I wonder how many ounces were in those lemonade cups....

spdrun · #18 07-06-2013, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

Certainly health codes are not asinine?

If it weren't for the huge number of complete arseholes in our world, we wouldn't have so many laws which occasionally put a cramp on normal everyday people.

Who is to say that there isn't some deranged kid out there who thinks selling lemonade with arsenic in it would be a real fun pastime?

I doubt a given kid would be any more likely to do so than a licensed vendor or disgruntled Mickey Dee's employee. The chances of deliberate poisoning are so rare as to be able to be discounted.

Besides, no one forces anyone to buy from the lemonade stand. Caveat emptor.

And yes, a lot of health codes are asinine, not to mention useless. Especially since I've seen the kitchen conditions in some supposedly duly licensed and inspected restaurants, and they were much worse than the average lemonade stand or taco cart, where at least everything is visible.

aklim · #19 07-06-2013, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by spdrun

My solution wouldn't involve "no cops." My solution would involve "overworked, understaffed cops that wouldn't have time to enforce trivial crap, since they'd be fully occupied with serious crimes." Sort of like NYC was in the 80s, where no one cared about firework salesmen in Chinatown or "quality of life" crimes.

And yeah, I'm willing to put up with a higher risk of being murdered or mugged for a degree of freedom.

And who would sign up for such a job and not be on the take or worse? You?

aklim · #20 07-06-2013, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by spdrun

I doubt a given kid would be any more likely to do so than a licensed vendor or disgruntled Mickey Dee's employee. The chances of deliberate poisoning are so rare as to be able to be discounted.

Besides, no one forces anyone to buy from the lemonade stand. Caveat emptor.

And yes, a lot of health codes are asinine, not to mention useless. Especially since I've seen the kitchen conditions in some supposedly duly licensed and inspected restaurants, and they were much worse than the average lemonade stand or taco cart, where at least everything is visible.

Just say it plainly. You want selective enforcement of law. As long as it suits you.

spdrun · #21 07-06-2013, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

And who would sign up for such a job and not be on the take or worse? You?

If you think that there aren't currently cops on the take, you must be joking.

spdrun · #22 07-06-2013, 11:56 AM

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Just say it plainly. You want selective enforcement of law. As long as it suits you.

In any sane world, laws have to be enforced selectively. The alternative would be for them to be so specific as to be unenforceable when needed, and nobody wants that.

cmbdiesel · #23 07-06-2013, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by spdrun

I doubt a given kid would be any more likely to do so than a licensed vendor or disgruntled Mickey Dee's employee. The chances of deliberate poisoning are so rare as to be able to be discounted.

Besides, no one forces anyone to buy from the lemonade stand. Caveat emptor.

And yes, a lot of health codes are asinine, not to mention useless. Especially since I've seen the kitchen conditions in some supposedly duly licensed and inspected restaurants, and they were much worse than the average lemonade stand or taco cart, where at least everything is visible.

I know a guy who makes real tasty cat-on-a-stick, especially in nicer neighborhoods... he's going to set up next to your door.

Obviously you've never heard of a lawsuit.
Police see illegal lemonade stand, do nothing.
Person gets hit by a car crossing the street to the illegal lemonade stand, cops get sued for not enforcing the law.
Same thing if someone gets a tummy ache from too much lemonade...
I'm sure we all wish that life were as simple as Mayberry, but it just ain't reality.
You do things that are against codes and regulations, then you will get shut down when you get noticed.

spdrun · #24 07-06-2013, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

I know a guy who makes real tasty cat-on-a-stick, especially in nicer neighborhoods... he's going to set up next to your door.

Suits me. I hate cats -- they're probably tastier fried than walking around crapping up the neighborhood.

Brian Carlton · #25 07-06-2013, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by spdrun

In any sane world, laws have to be enforced selectively. The alternative would be for them to be so specific as to be unenforceable when needed, and nobody wants that.

Once you allow "selectively" to a cop, it's open season as to what he enforces and how much "enforcement" he can use during the enforcement.

You solution cannot work if implemented by the higher authorities in the police department.

spdrun · #26 07-06-2013, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

Once you allow "selectively" to a cop, it's open season as to what he enforces and how much "enforcement" he can use during the enforcement.

You solution cannot work if implemented by the higher authorities in the police department.

It's implemented all the time. Example: Maryland has speed cameras in construction zones. Those cameras are set to activate at 10 mph over the limit, not 1 mph.

Brian Carlton · #27 07-06-2013, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by spdrun

It's implemented all the time. Example: Maryland has speed cameras in construction zones. Those cameras are set to activate at 10 mph over the limit, not 1 mph.

That's a mechanical device.............not an individual. You can program a mechanical device for exactly what you want.............not so much for the individual.

cmbdiesel · #28 07-06-2013, 12:08 PM

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That's a mechanical device.............not an individual. You can program a mechanical device for exactly what you want.............not so much for the individual.

What could possibly go wrong???

spdrun · #29 07-06-2013, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

That's a mechanical device.............not an individual. You can program a mechanical device for exactly what you want.............not so much for the individual.

Programming a mechanical device is still a management decision.