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davidmash · #46 07-09-2013, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by greazzer

Do you attribute "bad things" as always being caused by God? The devil-satan always has his hands busy. Sometimes really bad things happen to really good people and God has a plan in mind. That plan may not make sense now, but God certainly knows better. Does he not?

God is supposed to be omnipotent. If god gets credit for the good he gets credit for the bad.

No idea if god knows better. Your god has not explained to me why a Nazi had to put a bullet in my grandfathers head or why my father had to endure over 5 years in Auschwitz to the point that when he was liberated he was not able to walk out on his own. No explanation on why my father had to help clean out the gas chambers of thousands of bodies (some of whom were his friends) and work obscene hours in the synthetic fuel plant on food (I use that term loosely) that that I would not feed my worst enemy.

Your god has not explained why Amanda Berry, Georgina DeJesus and Michelle Knight were held captive for years why being brutalized. Then there are the Caylee Marie Anthony of the world ... and the list goes on adnausium.

SO no, I do not believe god knows best as I do not believe there is a god. I believe that random crap happens. Good and bad know know bounds and do not discriminate.

If your god does exist, it better have a dam good explanation as to why my family had to suffer they way that they did. Other wise either it or I can go to hell because I want nothing to do with a capricious and vindictive god like that.

greazzer · #47 07-09-2013, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by kerry

Didn't God create Satan so Satan could do his will? God created everything, he's not getting off the hook that easily.

LOL ... and that comment brightend my day ...

davidmash · #48 07-09-2013, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by greazzer

LOL ... and that comment brightend my day ...

Did God create everything (satan included) or not?

martureo · #49 07-09-2013, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by davidmash

Convenient however that is not what Jim said in his post.

I'll go by what the Bible says over what Jim says any day.

"But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous." (Matthew 5:44b-45 NASB)

martureo · #50 07-09-2013, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by davidmash

How about acknowledge that random sh|t happens to random people and call it a day?

Because ignoring that evil exists will not lesson the fact that evil exists.

martureo · #51 07-09-2013, 04:44 PM

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I'm guessing you do not know from debt hunger and suffering in the manner that tbomachines is referring to. I know you have not experienced debt suffering or hunger to the extent that my family has. So spare us the comparison.

Wouldn't that only prove my point?

I'm a believer, you are not.

martureo · #52 07-09-2013, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by davidmash

God is supposed to be omnipotent. If god gets credit for the good he gets credit for the bad.

No idea if god knows better. Your god has not explained to me why a Nazi had to put a bullet in my grandfathers head or why my father had to endure over 5 years in Auschwitz to the point that when he was liberated he was not able to walk out on his own. No explanation on why my father had to help clean out the gas chambers of thousands of bodies (some of whom were his friends) and work obscene hours in the synthetic fuel plant on food (I use that term loosely) that that I would not feed my worst enemy.

Your god has not explained why Amanda Berry, Georgina DeJesus and Michelle Knight were held captive for years why being brutalized. Then there are the Caylee Marie Anthony of the world ... and the list goes on adnausium.

SO no, I do not believe god knows best as I do not believe there is a god. I believe that random crap happens. Good and bad know know bounds and do not discriminate.

If your god does exist, it better have a dam good explanation as to why my family had to suffer they way that they did. Other wise either it or I can go to hell because I want nothing to do with a capricious and vindictive god like that.

Would you want God to get rid of all the evil in the world?

martureo · #53 07-09-2013, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by davidmash

Did God create everything (satan included) or not?

Yes, God created Satan.

davidmash · #54 07-09-2013, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by martureo

I'll go by what the Bible says over what Jim says any day.

"But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous." (Matthew 5:44b-45 NASB)

I really do not care what you go by. My question was address to what JimFreeh said.

Yea. You let me know how that works for you when unspeakable horrors rain down on you and yours.

martureo · #55 07-09-2013, 04:50 PM

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I really do not care what you go by. My question was address to what JimFreeh said.

Yea. You let me know how that works for you when unspeakable horrors rain down on you and yours.

I've lost a child. On my birthday. How about you?

I've been unemployed for years, lost my house, and then got fired from the first steady job after a month because the boss' boss was out of town when I was hired and when he came back he decided he didn't like me.

I have been hungry, no food for days. I've had so little money that I've had the electricity turned off, no fuel in the car, no way to get to work on a hot Summer day.

I've had my trials and I will continue to have them. Yet I have no reason to curse God, He has always provided.

kerry · #56 07-09-2013, 04:51 PM

And whatever evil exists, God is responsible for since all of creation is a result of God's actions.

davidmash · #57 07-09-2013, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by martureo

Yes, God created Satan.

Well there you go. Were it true, your god would be responsible for all the good and all the evil.

martureo · #58 07-09-2013, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by davidmash

Well there you go. Were it true, your god would be responsible for all the good and all the evil.

Nope. God created Satan. Satan rebelled.

Satan brought sin into the world.

martureo · #59 07-09-2013, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by kerry

And whatever evil exists, God is responsible for since all of creation is a result of God's actions.

Only if I believed that.

God created, creation sinned. God is not responsible.

tbomachines · #60 07-09-2013, 04:55 PM

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Still waiting for you to show that God did not provide.

Btw, Christians have been killed, terrorized, tortured and brutalized since the first half of the 1st century. Pretty much their entire existence.

Of course you are, because anything I post that isn't in the bible isn't good enough for you. Dying after a miserable life and miserable death is not what I call "providing", but potato po-tah-to right? God saves people in the after life is what the book says, so any experience here on earth is irrelevant to this argument anyways (as long as they were good Christians and followed all of the rules), always a nice trump card in the pocket if that is your reality.