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Old 07-16-2013, 01:30 PM
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"A person is justified in using deadly force if he reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself.

In deciding whether George Zimmerman was justified in the use of deadly force, you must judge him by the circumstances by which he was surrounded at the time the force was used. The danger facing George Zimmerman need not have been actual; however, to justify the use of deadly force, the appearance of danger must have been so real that a reasonably cautious and prudent person under the same circumstances would have believed that the danger could be avoided only through the use of that force. Based upon appearances, George Zimmerman must have actually believed that the danger was real.


If George Zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in any place where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony."

The way I read this instruction there's no need to look at who confronted who or who sucker punched who. The act is distilled down to the few seconds when they were struggling on the ground, not how they got there.
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Old 07-16-2013, 03:03 PM
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My state's SYG law is identical to Florida's, having been written by the same legal scholars at ALEC, who work tirelessly on behalf of gun owners and misogynists nationwide.
That means that I can now go follow people i deem to look "suspicious" around. When they feel threatened by me and decide they've had enough of being followed around by some un-uniformed creepy character and decide to fight back, I can then decide that I feel threatened and pull my piece and shoot them and get off scott free.

COOL!!
You could save time by just shooting them first, them claiming that you felt threatened...
be sure to self inflict a couple boo-boos on yourself though, to support your story...

Oh yeah, the real big one is to make sure they are dead...
dead men tell no tales.
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Old 07-16-2013, 03:13 PM
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Florida- the rules are different here....

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Y'all stay away. It's too crowded here and we will deal with you one by one, if necessary....
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Old 07-16-2013, 11:28 AM
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Not always. See the case of Marissa Alexander. FL is a screwed up place.
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Old 07-16-2013, 11:35 AM
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Not always. See the case of Marissa Alexander. FL is a screwed up place.
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She said Gray’s sons were pulling on their shoes to leave the house when Alexander raised her weapon to fire — in other words, they and their father were about to leave.

I took a very quick look at it and, it appears that she was not in fear of her life at the very moment that she utilized the weapon.

Hence, she gets no protection under the SYG law.

But, 20 years............for attempted murder?? WTF?? She wouldn't get five years here in NY!! They could not easily prove attempted murder.
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Old 07-16-2013, 11:46 AM
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I took a very quick look at it and, it appears that she was not in fear of her life at the very moment that she utilized the weapon.

Hence, she gets no protection under the SYG law.

But, 20 years............for attempted murder?? WTF?? She wouldn't get five years here in NY!! They could not easily prove attempted murder.
He was an abusive husband who threaten to kill her. She believed her life was in danger from him. I do not believe the fact that she went back in to get her keys in order to flee negates the fear she had for her life.
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Old 07-16-2013, 11:49 AM
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He was an abusive husband who threaten to kill her. She believed her life was in danger from him. I do not believe the fact that she went back in to get her keys in order to flee negates the fear she had for her life.
I believe the word you are looking for is "imminent".

I don't believe that the word applies in her case.

She might have been under the belief that her life was in danger for the past two months due to his past misdeeds. That, in and of itself, doesn't give her carte-blanche to shoot him, even in FL.
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Old 07-16-2013, 11:50 AM
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He was an abusive husband who threaten to kill her. She believed her life was in danger from him. I do not believe the fact that she went back in to get her keys in order to flee negates the fear she had for her life.
I am strictly guessing here, but if she was in fear for her life, got out of the dwelling THEN went back in, the prosecution painted a scenario where she was not that fearful and was going to exact retribution, not escape. Argument can be made that she was away from the danger, could have fled on foot and had a gun to protect herself.

just thinking based on the few things I have heard. Sort of like the druggist here in OKC who shot a guy robbing him, dropped one, went outside to pursue the other and then upon coming back capped the guy lying wounded on the floor and killed him. Court ruled that was murder.
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Old 07-16-2013, 12:17 PM
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meanwhile, the killing goes on and I hear no media outcry or hue & cry from any community.....

FL vs Zimmerman = show trail that is just stirring up the populace..shameful that it was sensationalized....

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^^^ That argument works only if we believe Z was possessed of the extraordinary ability to foretell the future.
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^^^ That argument works only if we believe Z was possessed of the extraordinary ability to foretell the future.
Actually both Z & M...
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Old 07-16-2013, 02:13 PM
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It is absolutely amazing how many people are willing to allow themselves to give in to political correctness and emotion as opposed to accepting the rule of law.

I guess it makes sense though, if the law doesn't match up with your personal political opinion, the law must be wrong. After losing in a fair trial, it must be time to change the rules and get a second chance. Of course that is double jeopardy, but for a liberal, their political opinion trumps everything.
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Old 07-16-2013, 02:15 PM
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It is absolutely amazing how many people are willing to allow themselves to give in to political correctness and emotion as opposed to accepting the rule of law.

I guess it makes sense though, if the law doesn't match up with your personal political opinion, the law must be wrong. After losing in a fair trial, it must be time to change the rules and get a second chance. Of course that is double jeopardy, but for a liberal, their political opinion trumps everything.
Would you like to compare the statement above with your attitude about laws that permit abortion?
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Old 07-16-2013, 02:27 PM
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Would you like to compare the statement above with your attitude about laws that permit abortion?


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Cue Fred Astaire for the next song and dance.
Queue(FTFY) davidmash for the next string of illogical bullshlt.
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