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Old 08-01-2013, 12:45 AM
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I defer to the experts in drug abuse and law enforcement, but I believe most would agree that our drug laws do a terrible job of deterring drug abuse. I don't know what Lindsey Lohan's problems are, but I don't think we should craft our public policy around her situation.

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Old 08-01-2013, 12:59 AM
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I know this is past History but I thought the States in the past that were that had Segregation and the most Racial Violence against People of Color were States controlled by the Democratic Party.

I am trying to figure out what Civil Rights are under attack by the Right.

Could you list a few; and I don't mean that sarcastically.
Yup. I can remember this clearly.

But it started to shift in the middle 60's when the Civil Rights Act was passed. Democrats hated, and I do mean hated, the Republicans for 'invading' the Confederacy even thought all the Civil war Vets were dead a lot of their Grandchildren were still alive and could tell the stories their Grandfathers had told them as if they were there.

Goldwater and Nixon picked up on this shift as they sensed that the real hate was not towards the Republicans but towards the life those in the South had been forced to live from reconstruction on. You might laugh at the 'forced' part, but you have to remember that much of the Old South, even in the 60's, was the most uneducated part of the US and only knew what they had been taught at home.

So the Republicans instituted what they called the 'Southern Strategy' to turn Democrats into Republicans by doing all they could to resist the Civil Rights Act and fighting against it when they could. All of a sudden a lot of the real haters discovered these Republican folks were not so bad after all.

A little known event: In Dallas there were once two great hotels; the Adolphus and the Baker. One night LBJ and Lady Bird were going to cross Commerce street from the Baker to the Adolphus and there were a number of well dressed women outside with signs that pointed out LBJ was nothing less than a low life lover of undesirables. When they left the Baker the well dressed women started beating them with the signs and the Secret Service had to crack a few heads.

LBJ was upset, but Lady Bird just laughed it off and said, "Things will never be the same again."
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Old 08-01-2013, 01:07 AM
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OH yea. I forgot the rational that if they are in prison they must be guilty or they would not be there in the first place.

Information such as this site would seem to indicate that blacks are convicted at a much higher rate than whites are. This would seem to indicate that blacks are targeted for arrest more than whites as well. As I said, I do not see any statistical support that shows blacks commit more crimes than white only that blacks are convicted more.

I asked every minority friend I have, plus some random people I know at work. Without exception, every single one of them has been stopped or questioned by police when they had not done anything. Perhaps I have been a lucky white guy but I have not been randomly stopped by the police in 47 years.
Like in Z's case when I was on a Jury I found they were reluctant to convict without some hard evidence.
If more Blacks then Whites are actually Convicted and if what I believe about Juries is true it would mean that there had to be enough evidence to convince the Jury of the Defendants Guilt.

So You can explain the more frequent arrests of Blacks as Police Targeting them because they are Black but it is difficult to explain the convictions because the Jury looks and decides on the Evidence in order to Convict.
Since the Defense has a say in Picking the Jury it I think it is difficult to say that the Jury is Racist when they find a Black Man Guilty.

So if an arrest turns into a Guilty verdict that was a good arrest.

The other question should be who tells the Police where to Patrol and why are they Patrolling there.
I think more Police are sent to the higher Crime Areas.
If those areas are Minority areas the next question is why is there more crime in the Minority area? Are they Higher Crime Areas because of Racism?

When the Police pull over some Minority Person in a Minority area who are the protecting by doing that? I don't think they are protecting the White Folks because the White Folks are not living in the Minority area significant number.
So the Police are trying to keep the Minorities from victimizing themselves.

So you are a Police officer and You were previously assigned to a mostly White area. In that area you don't see the White People victimizing each other very often; so you don't bother stopping anyone.

You get transferred to the Minority area and you find it is a Higher Crime Area. After a while you become biased against the People there because You compare it to the White area You were assigned to before.

Where the above stuff does not apply is if you are in a large City like New York or Chicago. I large Cities there is High Crime areas where the Poor Whites act the same as the Poor Minorities.
I am guessing if you are White and live in the Poor White High Crime area the Police just might stop you for no reason and check You out.
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Old 08-01-2013, 01:36 AM
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Both Rev Al Sharpton and Rev Jesse Jackson say that O is NOT a black man. White Momma + Black Daddy do not equal "Black". My Heinz 57 muttlatto dog is not recognized by the AKC as a "Pure Breed". Some things are what they are. A Ford is not a Chevrolet. A Chevrolet is not a Ford.

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Wait, do you reference Sharpton and Jackson to support your position often?

Yeah, I get that he, Obama, is half white and half black. Or well, maybe. If you go back 50,000 years, supposdedly all of us have black ancestors so I'm not sure how to shake it out.

Nonetheless, the average white American will think "black man" when they see a male with Obama's heritage. Or maybe, "light skinned black man."
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Old 08-01-2013, 04:04 AM
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Yup. I can remember this clearly.

But it started to shift in the middle 60's when the Civil Rights Act was passed. Democrats hated, and I do mean hated, the Republicans for 'invading' the Confederacy even thought all the Civil war Vets were dead a lot of their Grandchildren were still alive and could tell the stories their Grandfathers had told them as if they were there.

Goldwater and Nixon picked up on this shift as they sensed that the real hate was not towards the Republicans but towards the life those in the South had been forced to live from reconstruction on. You might laugh at the 'forced' part, but you have to remember that much of the Old South, even in the 60's, was the most uneducated part of the US and only knew what they had been taught at home.

So the Republicans instituted what they called the 'Southern Strategy' to turn Democrats into Republicans by doing all they could to resist the Civil Rights Act and fighting against it when they could. All of a sudden a lot of the real haters discovered these Republican folks were not so bad after all.

A little known event: In Dallas there were once two great hotels; the Adolphus and the Baker. One night LBJ and Lady Bird were going to cross Commerce street from the Baker to the Adolphus and there were a number of well dressed women outside with signs that pointed out LBJ was nothing less than a low life lover of undesirables. When they left the Baker the well dressed women started beating them with the signs and the Secret Service had to crack a few heads.

LBJ was upset, but Lady Bird just laughed it off and said, "Things will never be the same again."
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Claudia Alta "Lady Bird" Taylor Johnson (December 22, 1912 – July 11, 2007)[1] was First Lady of the United States (1963–69) during the presidency of her husband Lyndon B. Johnson.

Notably well educated for her time, she proved a capable manager and a shrewd investor. After marrying LBJ in 1934, when he was a political hopeful in Austin, Texas, she used a modest inheritance to bankroll his congressional campaign, and then ran his office while he was serving in the navy. Next, she bought a radio station and then a TV station, which would soon make them millionaires. As First Lady, she broke new ground by interacting directly with Congress, employing her own press secretary, and making a solo electioneering tour.

Johnson was a lifelong advocate for beautifying the nation's cities and highways ("Where flowers bloom, so does hope") and the Highway Beautification Act was informally known as Lady Bird's Bill.


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Old 08-01-2013, 06:06 AM
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way past.Right. They were democrats because they didn't want to have anything to do with the party of Lincoln. As the Democratic party shifted to the left in the late 60s and early 70s, the segregationists became independents or switched to the GOP. Virginia's Harry Byrd, Jr., perhaps the preeminent example of that sort of southern Democrat, died yesterday. His obituary is an interesting walk through the history of this topic: Former Va. Sen. Harry Byrd Jr. dies; favored segregation, left Democrats at key turning point - The Washington Post

Voter suppression is probably the primary civil rights attack coming from the right these days.
This is a good answer to the question. I would add that the turning point for southern (segregationalist) democrats was the passage of the Civil right act of 1964. Lyndon Johnson, a southern democrat, pushed to pass it and stated as he did so that passing it would " Lose the south to the democrat party for 100 years". And as for the present attack on Civil rights? ....it is not just against blacks but poor whites as well. What is more important that voting.

Of course the right is also attacking free public education too, and the right to form unions.
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Old 08-01-2013, 06:07 AM
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way past.Right. They were democrats because they didn't want to have anything to do with the party of Lincoln. As the Democratic party shifted to the left in the late 60s and early 70s, the segregationists became independents or switched to the GOP. Virginia's Harry Byrd, Jr., perhaps the preeminent example of that sort of southern Democrat, died yesterday. His obituary is an interesting walk through the history of this topic: Former Va. Sen. Harry Byrd Jr. dies; favored segregation, left Democrats at key turning point - The Washington Post

Voter suppression is probably the primary civil rights attack coming from the right these days.
This is a good answer to the question. I would add that the turning point for southern (segregationalist) democrats was the passage of the Civil right act of 1964. Lyndon Johnson, a southern democrat, pushed to pass it and stated as he did so that passing it would " Lose the south to the democrat party for 100 years". And as for the present attack on Civil rights? ....it is not just against blacks but poor whites as well. What is more important that voting.

Of course the right is also attacking free public education too, and the right to form unions.
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Wait, do you reference Sharpton and Jackson to support your position often?

Yeah, I get that he, Obama, is half white and half black. Or well, maybe. If you go back 50,000 years, supposdedly all of us have black ancestors so I'm not sure how to shake it out.

Nonetheless, the average white American will think "black man" when they see a male with Obama's heritage. Or maybe, "light skinned black man."
Sharpton and Jackson are two liberal thinking black men; the fact that they recognize that O is not "Black" is telling...... You see, we are genuine Black Labs but that over there is a "Labradoodle".

For the sake of this discussion, we are not going back 50,000 years, we are going back ONE (can you count?) ONE generation ONLY.

Your statement about "the average white American......" is the real key to the lock. Most of the whites out there are, in fact, "average" and are uneducated when it comes to racial issues. In fact, most of them qualify as brain dead. But they seem to believe they are "experts" at everything.

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Old 08-01-2013, 01:47 PM
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I guess if I dislike his policies I'm only half-racist.
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So who is the black man and who is not?

You let me know what the standard is for black and not black.

As someone earlier said, very few people are pure anything. If I did not know Obama's family history I would assume he is a black man. Odds are that quite a few of the lighter skinned black people walking around are not 'pure'. Neither are a lot of the white people.
Exactly the reason why we should abandon the whole "race" division. We need to stop making people fit into a box called "white" or "asian" or "black" or any other "color" or cultural moniker. We need to stop giving billions to people that call themselves whatever they want no matter how much others think they fit that description because there is NO way to prove someone is black or white or yellow.
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Old 08-01-2013, 02:18 PM
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Zimmerman Prosecutor Angela Corey Criminally Indicted By Citizens' Grand Jury For Allegedly Falsifying Arrest Warrant And Complaint .

Zimmerman Prosecutor Angela Corey Criminally Indicted By Citizens' Grand Jury For Allegedly Falsifying Arrest Warrant And Complaint - WSJ.com

Interesting....if only it had teeth
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Old 08-01-2013, 02:24 PM
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There exists a company that can take your DNA and assemble a Map showing where your ancestors lived and came from. OTH, we may not be able to "prove" race from DNA, blood work, etc etc. but one thing for sure; when I see a man or woman of Chinese descent, I know what I see. When I see a Black man, I don't need to run a blood test to know what I am looking at. Ditto for whitey and all the other racial groups. Unfortunately for the Marxists, we are NOT all equal and the same.
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Old 08-01-2013, 02:26 PM
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Zimmerman Prosecutor Angela Corey Criminally Indicted By Citizens' Grand Jury For Allegedly Falsifying Arrest Warrant And Complaint .

Zimmerman Prosecutor Angela Corey Criminally Indicted By Citizens' Grand Jury For Allegedly Falsifying Arrest Warrant And Complaint - WSJ.com

Interesting....if only it had teeth
It's entirely made up. The WSJ headline is a lie. There is nothing criminal about this so-called indictment. It's just an organization that issues "indictments." The Wall Street Journal should be ashamed.
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Old 08-01-2013, 03:31 PM
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Sharpton and Jackson are two liberal thinking black men; the fact that they recognize that O is not "Black" is telling...... You see, we are genuine Black Labs but that over there is a "Labradoodle".

For the sake of this discussion, we are not going back 50,000 years, we are going back ONE (can you count?) ONE generation ONLY.

Your statement about "the average white American......" is the real key to the lock. Most of the whites out there are, in fact, "average" and are uneducated when it comes to racial issues. In fact, most of them qualify as brain dead. But they seem to believe they are "experts" at everything.
So you don't think that highly Educated People who did not know Our Presidents Family back round would believe He is Black.

I don't know if those old Laws from the Past have been removed from the Law but in some States to be consider Black you only had to have 10% in Your Blood Line.
What I find odd is that most White People seem to have no conscious that they are also mixed.
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Old 08-01-2013, 03:35 PM
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Exactly the reason why we should abandon the whole "race" division. We need to stop making people fit into a box called "white" or "asian" or "black" or any other "color" or cultural moniker. We need to stop giving billions to people that call themselves whatever they want no matter how much others think they fit that description because there is NO way to prove someone is black or white or yellow.
If there was nothing to be gained by being from some specific Race or even ethnic group it would not be the big deal that it is.

In Our USA Drama there has to be a Victim and a Victimizer.

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